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Baccarat 10 sessions live dealer Online

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by JacobBlaze, May 23, 2020.

  1. JacobBlaze

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    flat bet, Money/Session management inspired by PunkCity Stadium Thread (thanks)


    SESSION 1 39 HANDS +1 TOTAL +1
    SESSION 2 12 HANDS +2 TOTAL +3
    SESSION 3 21 HANDS +1 TOTAL +4
    SESSION 4 41 HANDS +2 TOTAL +6
    SESSION 5 37 HANDS +1 TOTAL +7
    SESSION 6 11 HANDS +1 TOTAL +8
    SESSION 7 23 HANDS +1 TOTAL +9
    SESSION 8 56 HANDS -2 TOTAL +7
    SESSION 9 13 HANDS +2 TOTAL +9
    SESSION 10 11 HANDS +2 TOTAL +11

    first column
    my bet selection

    second column
    result (B/P)

    third column
    Win, Tie, Lose

    fourth column
    running totals after each hand played




    ---------------------------------
    SESSION 1 39 HANDS +1
    B T T E
    P B L -1
    P B L -2
    B P L -3
    P B L -4
    B P L -5
    B T T
    B B W -4
    P P W -3
    B T T
    B P L -4
    P P W -3
    P P W -2
    P B L -3
    P P W -2
    P B L -3
    P B L -4
    P T T
    P P W -3
    B P L -4
    B P L -5
    B T T
    P B L -6
    B T T
    P B L -7
    P P W -6
    P P W -5
    B P L -6
    B B W -5
    P P W -4
    P P W -3
    P B L -4
    B P L -5
    B B W -4
    P P W -3
    B P L -4
    P B L -5
    P B L -6
    P P W -5
    B B W -4
    B B W -3
    B B W -2
    P T T -2
    B B W -1
    B P L -2
    P T T
    P T T
    P P W -1
    P P W E
    B B W 1
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 2 12 HANDS +2
    4 P P W 1
    2 P T T 1
    2 P B L E
    3 B T T E
    1 B B W 1
    5 B B W 2
    2 P P W 3
    2 P P W 4
    4 P P W 5
    2 P B L 4
    4 P B L 3
    3 B P L 2
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 3 21 HANDS +1
    B P L -1
    P P W E
    B P L -1
    B P L -2
    B P L -3
    B P L -4
    B B W -3
    P P W -2
    P P W -1
    P B L -2
    P B L -3
    B P L -4
    B B W -3
    P T T
    B T T
    B B W -2
    P P W -1
    B B W E
    P P W 1
    P B L E
    P P W 1
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 4 41 HANDS +2
    P B L -1
    B B W E
    B P L -1
    P P W E
    B P L -1
    P B L -2
    B P L -3
    B P L -4
    P B L -5
    B B W -4
    P T
    B B W -3
    P B L -4
    P B L -5
    B P L -6
    P P W -5
    P P W -4
    P P W -3
    B P L -4
    P B L -5
    P P W -4
    P B L -5
    P B L -6
    B B W -5
    B B W -4
    B B W -3
    P P W -2
    B B W -1
    P B L -2
    B P L -3
    P P W -2
    P B L -3
    B B W -2
    P B L -3
    P P W -2
    B B W -1
    B B W E
    B B W 1
    B P L E
    B B W 1
    B B W 2
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 5 37 HANDS +1
    P B L -1
    B P L -2
    P B L -3
    B B W -2
    B T T
    P P W -1
    P B L -2
    P B L -3
    P P W -2
    B P L -3
    B B W -2
    P B L -3
    P B L -4
    P B L -5
    P P W -4
    P P W -3
    B B W -2
    B P L -3
    B T T
    B P L -4
    P B L -5
    P B L -6
    B B W -5
    B B W -4
    B P L -5
    P P W -4
    P P W -3
    P P W -2
    P P W -1
    P B L -2
    P P W -1
    P B L -2
    P P W -1
    B B W E
    B P L -1
    B B W E
    P P W 1
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 6 11 HANDS +1
    B B W 1
    P P W 2
    P P W 3
    B P L 2
    B B W 3
    P P W 4
    B P L 3
    B P L 2
    B B W 3
    P B L 2
    B P L 1
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 7 23 HANDS +1
    P B L -1
    P B L -2
    P B L -3
    B B W -2
    P B L -3
    P P W -2
    P P W -1
    P B L -2
    P P W -1
    B B W E
    B B W 1
    B B W 2
    B P L 1
    P B L E
    P B L -1
    B P L -2
    B B T
    B B W -1
    B P L -2
    P T T
    B B W -1
    B B W E
    P P W 1
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 8 56 HANDS -2
    P B L -1
    P P W E
    P B L -1
    B P L -2
    B B W -1
    P P W E
    B P L -1
    B P L -2
    P P W -1
    B P L -2
    B P L -3
    B P L -4
    B P L -5
    B P L -6
    P B L -7
    B T
    P B L -8
    P B L -9
    B P L -10
    B B W -9
    P T
    B P L -10
    P P W -9
    P P W -8
    B T
    P P W -7
    P B L -8
    P P W -7
    B B W -6
    P P W -5
    P P W -4
    P B L -5
    B P L -6
    P B L -7
    P P W -6
    B T T
    B B W -5
    B B W -4
    P P W -3
    B P L -4
    B T T
    P P W -3
    P B L -4
    P T T
    B P L -5
    B B W -4
    P B L -5
    P B L -6
    B B W -5
    B B W -4
    P B L -5
    B B W -4
    P P W -3
    B P L -4
    T T
    B B W -3
    B B W -2
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 9 13 HANDS +2
    P B L -1
    P T
    P P W E
    P P W 1
    P B L E
    P B L -1
    B B W E
    P P W 1
    B B W 2
    P P W 3
    B B W 4
    P B L 3
    P B L 2
    -----------------------------------------------------
    SESSION 10 11 HANDS +2
    P P W 1
    P P W 2
    P P W 3
    P B L 2
    B B W 3
    P T T
    P B L 2
    P P W 3
    P B L 2
    P P W 3
    P B L 2
     
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  2. Punkcity

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    Good format, enjoy. Cheers
     
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    21 MORE MOST RECENT SESSIONS

    LAST 21 SESSIONS RESULTS

    RESULT+/- (E IS EVEN) # HANDS
    21 SESSIONS / 457 HANDS /
    +7 (+3.20 AFTER COMMISION)


    +1 23 HANDS
    +15 39 HANDS
    -7 36 HANDS
    +5 31 HANDS
    +1 11 HANDS
    E 23 HANDS
    E 2 HANDS CONNECTION ISSUE
    +4 20 HANDS
    -13 34 HANDS
    +4 33 HANDS
    -3 36 HANDS
    E 28 HANDS
    E 29 HANDS
    E 12 HANDS
    +4 11 HANDS
    +4 14 HANDS
    -8 23 HANDS
    +3 20 HANDS
    -3 27 HANDS
    +3 14 HANDS
    E 21 HANDS

    TOTAL 457 HANDS +7 UNITS
     
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    MAGICAL SESSION +15(HORSESHOE IN THE Axx :) )
    BET/RESULT/LorW/RUNNING TOTAL

    P B L -1
    B B W E
    P T T E
    P P W 1
    B P L E
    B B W 1
    P P W 2
    P P W 3
    P P W 4
    B T T 4
    B P L 3
    B B W 4
    B B W 5
    B B W 6
    B P L 5
    B B W 6
    P P W 7
    B B W 8
    B P L 7
    P P W 8
    B B W 9
    B P L 8
    P P W 9
    B B W 10
    B B W 11
    P P W 12
    P P W 13
    B T T 13
    B B W 14
    B B W 15
    P B L 14
    B T T 14
    B P L 13
    B B W 14
    P P W 15
    P B L 14
    P P W 15
    P B L 14
    P P W 15
     
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    WHAT THE FXXX SESSION -13 (HORSESHOE IN THE HEAD :) )
    BET/RESULT/LorW/RUNNING TOTAL

    P B L -1
    P T T -1
    P P W E
    B B W 1
    P B L E
    B B W 1
    P B L E
    P P W 1
    B P L E
    P B L -1
    B P L -2
    P B L -3
    B B W -2
    P B L -3
    B P L -4
    B P L -5
    P P W -4
    P B L -5
    B P L -6
    P B L -7
    B P L -8
    B P L -9
    P P W -8
    P B L -9
    B P L -10
    P P W -9
    B P L -10
    P P W -9
    P B L -10
    B P L -11
    B P L -12
    P B L -13
    P B L -14
    P P W -13
     
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  6. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Here's my take on above game
    Format
    Actual result, w/L, +/- unit
    ,B,bank
    P,player
    T , tie
    W, win
    L, lose
    = even
    +, plus unit
    -, minus unit
    NB, no bet
    GAME POSTED ABOVE THIS REPLY
    B, NB,=
    P, NB,=
    B, NB,=
    B, NB,=
    B, NB,=
    B, NB,=
    P, NB,=, ALL 3 MACUAU SCREENS NOW IN PLAY
    B, W,+1
    P, W,+2
    B, W,+3
    B, W,+4, HAMBURGERS
    B, L, +3
    END OF GAME

    Up +3 units
    log off site.
    Had i continued with this game as you posted i would have finished at +3 in total anyway [as is usually the case] I do often state that after a run of wins as above first loss end game , as also previously posted if up +x units for day I might have one more bet on the game but would have had two straight losses then I would have finished at +2 units as opposed to the +3 units I locked up.
    Log onto new game
    Etc
    You are starting to early and giving them free money, then you have to dig out of the hole as the walls are caving in on you. = frustration, second guessing, anger, etc. You dont have to bet every hand, you can no bet pick up the rthym then bet. etc You used 15 units from previous shoe to drop to - 13 units this shoe to be only up +2 units for the last two shoes you played. In this post Im at +3 units for one shoe part play. Subtle
    difference
    Cheers
     
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    I played this shoe we're I limited my hands as suggested first bet at hand 14 played a total of 6 hands went 5 wins 1 loss, can you replay it if u have the time? I think you play more consecutive hands when your triggers finally align, as this session only had a total of six bets through approx 30 hands

    The filled in circles on the main road are the wins and the yellow dot filled circle on the main road was the only loss

    I tried to private message you but I can't figure out how to do it..


    IMG_20200604_101041.jpg
     
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    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes will look later. P messages is available after you make 300 posts I think. I’m in the mid 200 now so will try pm at 300 see how that goes cheers
     
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    Actually at 274 now ,17 text easy. Cheers
     
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    Format=result,W win,L lost, NB no bet, B=banker, P=player,T= tie, +,=,- unit value,

    Jbw = Jacob bet win
    Jbl = Jacob bet lost
    JNS =Jacob NOT SELECTED
    C = concur bet selection

    T, JNS, NB,=
    B,JNS, NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    P,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    T,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,=
    P,JNS,NB,=
    B,JNS,NB,= (all macau screens in action )
    B,JNS,W,+1
    P,JBW,W,+2
    P,JNS,L,+1 ( I most likely end here )*
    P,JNS,W,+2
    T,NB
    B,JBW,L,+1
    B,JNS,L,=
    B,JNS,W,+1
    P,JNS,W,+2
    P,JBW,W,+3
    B,JNS,L,+2 (if I had played on Now I would end )**
    T,NB
    P,JBW,L,+1
    P,JNS,L,=
    P,JNS,W,+1
    P,JNS,W,+2
    P,JBW,W,+3
    B,JNS,L,+2 ( I REALLY NOT HERE AT THIS POINT )***
    T,NB
    B,JNS,NB,+2#
    P,JNS,NB,+2#
    P,JNS,W,+3#
    B,JNS,W,+4#
    B,JBLOST,W,+5,#
    P,JNS,L, +4, #(I REALY NOT PLAY HERE,END ,END)****
    B,JBWIN,NB,+4#
    T,NB,
    P,JNS,NB,+4#
    B,JNS,NB,+4#
    T,NB
    P,JBWIN,NB,+4# (End of shoe, played only if huge profit already )

    THE FIRST EXIT FOR ME WAS * at +1 unit was because on the limited shoe format of 50 hands or so there has been 12 or 13 hands already played before all 3 macau kicked in. My reason is from past experience +1,+2 units is limited shoe average, Too many hands used before macau leaving fewer hands until end of shoe, Just my rules as I play safety first etc.

    The second exit point (** ) had I played on , maybe IM up many units for the day, Perhaps I think Im capturing a momentum phase etc, But I really would be out of the game Now @+2 units as per previous paragraph and more so now.

    The third exit point (***) Same as above.

    The 4th exit point ( **** ) Would only occur IF, AND its a BIG IF, I am really in huge profit for the day so far BEFORE this game that Im happy to play towards the backend of shoe at the hands marked #, with a stop profit of = on this shoe. If I end on a + anything is a bonus.

    ### Really to play the game to the point you ended.

    Between exit 3 and exit 4 if Im still playing I would do some ( REALLY ) No Bets as Im in doubt, right or wrong I didnt lose any units so its not an issue and I still end a few extra units up. But 99 times out of a hundred Im not at this point of the shoe in this game format. I have logged off at any of the first 3exits and gone to a new game that may have less hands used before the macau kicks , as I ve posted previously 3 to 4 hands min and 12 hands max and not forgetting 7 ties in shoe also before macau including ties after that too few hands to harvest. Previous post on my thread. I dont mind watching new shoe with the 3 to 8 hands played before macau but at 9 + I have logged off to another game being zero units up or down as opposed to - units and no shoe . etc

    Your bet selection we can see is similar but maybe not for the same reasoning (perhaps ), but i believe you are starting to see it. I would say dont play so far into limited shoe as per above paragraphs etc. Give me some time to burn a few more posts then i get to 300 and see if i can pm you then i will give you a text etc, until then have fun.
    Cheers
     
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    thank you for your time and valuable input,

    before i read this i just played a shoe where i waited for the full menu to fill in and then i waited for my ideal entry and played every hand with a tight stop loss -3 worked out to +6 shoe hi of +8 through 29 hands played (online live shoe ended) total shoe was only 39 hands so started at hand 29

    i know with the RNG infinite shoe, it would eliminate the waiting for the full menu to form, and the sudden end to a good flow of shoes etc, i really see the advantage, but i would never have trusted those RNG stadium machines if i hadnt run into your thread. Most ive ever bet in that machine at palazzo in vegas was $10 per hand, and only while waiting around for something/someone else

    again thank you for your time
     
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    +6 SHOE I DESCRIBED IN PREVIOUS POST

    NO B
    NO P
    NO P
    NO B
    NO B
    NO B
    NO B
    NO P
    NO P
    NO P
    B B W 1
    B P L E
    B B W 1
    B B W 2
    P B L 1
    B P L E
    P T T
    P B L -1
    B B W E
    P P W 1
    P B L E
    B B W 1
    B T T
    B B W 2
    P P W 3
    B B W 4
    B B W 5
    P B L 4
    P P W 5
    B B W 6
    B B W 7
    B B W 8
    P T T
    P B L 7
    P B L 6
    B B W 7
    P B L 6
    B B W 7
    B P L 6


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    Well played, mine was a bit higher return,but im dealing with cognitive bias so I wouldnt put to much weight in what I say,but you say toomato I say tarmarto.
    cheers
     
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    i did not notice all the bankers until after i posted and reread 25 Vs 11, do you find your heavy banker shoes more profitable or similar to other shoes?

    do you quit early or play the whole shoe,i know that question probably has to do with the flow of your day etc (how good or bad you are doing and what session number this is for the day) but im guessing this shoe was a good flow with a tight stop loss for you too
     

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    No the selection criteria you are working towards will give you the same leverage to the win percentage you are looking for regardless if its a player dominate or bank dominate shoe, even if its a choppy ping pong shoe. The only difference is the 1/2 price bank or the banker commish shoe payouts. I know as example you win 10 times on a predominately banker won shoe your return price is LOWER than the same 10 wins on a predominately player win shoe (Flat betting). At the moment focus on the number of wins, in the example given it 10 wins, get your selection criteria right and thats the focus for now , the unit value will take care of itself after you achieve at least 54% win to 46% loss per game.

    I understand it is hard to take at face value anything that someone writes as a faceless name on the net. The only thing of value I have written is the groundhog day nature of my posts. I once again say practice practice what you are doing refine your selection criteria etc. I refer to my thread of 8000 hands results posted so far as evidence to me that the similar selection criteria you are developing does work. You need to do the hands to cement that realisation for yourself. If you persist and write your own particular rules you will succeed or you will not its that simple ,really .If its not working out for you set yourself a budget of x $$ a real one, not some imaginary one and if you blow the budget stop.

    To answer the other question hard call as I only approached this as a one off event. I dont have any notion of any day or month pressure on me, as per usual I play each game I play on its own merit but do have rules in place for certain events such as the month of June postings (a rare event at that) Also as I had stated im looking at a Complete shoe so some bias is to be expected as Im not playing one hand at a time,. This particular game I had 1 win +1 then a loss =, 3w,1L,(+2){ a natural exit point if day /month restrictions are in place , rules,etc } this style of win lose I like and this situation I most likely would have continued with the game as this unit flow was quite smooth Then we had another loss, shoot i do a long list as follows from start
    B,NB
    P,NB
    P,NB
    B,NB
    BNB
    B,NB
    B,NB
    P,NB
    P,NB --Macau screen active
    P, W, +1
    B, L , =
    P,W ,+1
    B, W,+2
    B, W,+3
    B, L, +2= Exit point one depends as above posted paragraph , i continue here.
    P, L ,+1
    B, W,+2
    B, W,+3
    P, L,+2 = Exit point two, as per exit point one etc, here is that smooth play of units i posted about above paragraph. continue on
    B, W,+3
    B, W,+4
    B, L ,+3= Exit point three as above etc
    P, W,+4
    B, W,+5
    B, W,+6
    B, L ,+5= Exit point four as above . I like the flow I continue with the rules listed below in play now.

    the exception here is that I know this is the limited number of hands per shoe format and I do play different to RNG stadium game here. From this point on playing this format I would stop on the next loss . I would also focus on the clear box of cards to come from the dealers coup to give me an idea of the estimated hands in play. If there seems to be a lot of possible hands left as maybe very few ties have played out or the bulk of hands played so far are only 4 card results ie naturals win, and only say 4 to 6 hands( 8 hands this game) had played before the macau kicked in , and only 3 ties so far etc this gives me another option as to my next exit point and why I may continue on after the next loss . I might decide that my day profit is excellent and this game is offering an potential abundant harvest. I will forgo next loss and try one more hand if it wins I would continue , if it lost to be 2 loss in a row I would exit straight away regardless of number of hands to go this format.

    P, W,+6,
    B, W,+7
    B, W,+8
    B, W,+9
    B, L ,+8 =Exit point Five. I continue re above paragraph, if double loss i exit

    B, W,+9
    B, W,+10
    B, W,+11
    B,W,+12
    CUT CARD
    P, L, +11 Units end of game

    In this format of play there are subtle differences, yes your playing commish with 14 bank wins at %5 deductions, keep numbers simple you use $100 unit at 5% commish x 14 wins = $70 or approx 1 full unit skimmed from the fat. In this format live dealer this win is not a regular occurrence of +11 units but it does happen , mostly exit points 1,2,3 and 4 are the norm. You may be lucky to get a +8 or so unit early in the game sometimes if you do top at the double loss exit point 5 listed above. Usually you would give most back if you continued after double loss or the lose one win one lose one exit point five which would be new exit point one or two but with point 5 rules etc as a general rule.

    So if this hand was happening as per my June post I would conduct myself a little different to how I would have played this if it was played during the month of May post.If this was the first shoe of the month or first day of the month I most likely have played as above and would have exit at point 4 or 5 or end depending on naturals ,ties , cut card penetration etc .

    Cheers
     
    Last edited: Jun 7, 2020
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