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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. chewbaccarat

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    Correction, yes the most recent shoes showed quite a few shoes below the expected 17 bets but I just checked and the average of those 100 shoes was actually above 18 hands/70 hand shoe. So I stand corrected.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Utter nonsense.
     
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  3. chewbaccarat

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    Statistically backed nonsense.
     
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  4. jbs

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    100.72% of the things thing roulette and baccarat trolls post is "utter nonsense."
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    AGREED
     
  6. R19

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    Cool story bros. Virtual wins and free hands and sidelining are very important. Best way to make a few losses into several more is to rush to play a very difficult segment of a baccarat shoe. Do some of you even play?

    Clearly not so stick with your charts, forecasts, and expected value.
     
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  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Are you tracking the actual cards?

    or

    Are you just tracking the WLW?
     

  8. R19

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    I'm talking about thousands of hours of real play with real money in a real casino not some hypothetical. Anything from discretionary to systematic should have a method of evaluating how the approach is doing.

    Or you can just run whatever approach full on and hope you don't run into any black swans. Yeah that's The Holy Grail of any table game from poker to baccarat. You just play an approach that's so strong it cranks.

    This thread is about triggers that do well so my take is there are times when a player using a strategy like this won't see a position to take.

    I know that getting a sense of urgency and desperation to win back quickly is often a leading mindset for more loss.
     
  9. R19

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    One or a thousand virtual wins, free hands, sidelines doesn't mean a win is next but getting flustered and all that fear energy is very bad news for most players.

    Strong trends are going off at other tables or might be right around the corner.
     
  10. Nathan Detroit

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    Reality in the game of Baccarat that past results do not predict the future .Play short term with a preselected method and do not force the issue .


    ND
     
  11. Nathan Detroit

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    Judging by those previous posts I am seeing potential losers .


    ND
     
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  12. chewbaccarat

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    Lani:

    Calculations have been done to show that you don't need a million shoes. Only 33,944 hands. So given that Crazy Ivan has about 18 hands/shoe...that works out to 1866 shoes to get you a result to the 95% confidence level. I'm already at 800 shoes and the advantage is still there. Slightly over 1% win rate. That may change as I input more shoes.
     
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  13. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    R19,

    You didn't answer my questions.

    Are you tracking the actual cards?

    or

    Are you just tracking the WLW?
     
  14. chewbaccarat

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    I'm up to 300 shoes in the Jimske shoe. Another 400 or so to go. At this stage, Crazy Ivan is at exactly a 50% win rate. The last 200 shoes produced some results where up to 10 losses in a row (yes in a row) were sometimes seen. Looking forward to the next 100 shoes and see what happens.
     

  15. chewbaccarat

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    400 shoes entered. Crazy Ivan has 3595 W and 3588 losses. Essentially a dead heat. Will continue inputting. Jimske, did you select this file based on its recalcitrance?
     
  16. R19

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    You could track actual cards in any way possible. I don't track anything on paper while playing although I have done a lot of scoring in practice.
     
  17. Nathan Detroit

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    A waste of time going thru hundreds of old shoes . Intelligent people would have just selected 3 or 4 shoes .

    Some people are stuck in the reality of a 50 /50 game and don1t know what to do with it .



    ND
     
  18. jbs

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    Hate to burst your bubble AGAIN, but baccarat is NOT 50/50 nor is it even close.
     
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  19. chewbaccarat

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    You are probably right ND. Clearly, over a big sample size, the game will be 50:50. But that road is arrived at in many different ways. So the question becomes: "Can we see any trends in a shoe (like V777s) by which the results travel on their merry way to 50:50?" That's what the study is about. If it turns out that no advantage play exists by examining trends then so be it but the intelligent person doesn't mind taking a look at it. Many new discoveries have been found that way. I am not offended by your statement.
     
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  20. chewbaccarat

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    Oh, one other thing. Three or four shoes isn't a large enough sample size to conclude anything with confidence. Stats calculations show that 33,944 trials are needed at a 95% confidence level to ascertain a binary outcome. So give it about 1866 shoes for Ivan before we really know for sure.
     

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