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Roulette 5 spins at once - in getting a repeater. A 3 stages Rocket system

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Rheti, Jul 8, 2023.

  1. Joey Torres

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    Really interesting.

    What progression are you using?

    Thanks
     
  2. Rheti

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    Stage 2

    5 6 30 192
    6 7 42 234
    7 9 63 297
    8 11 88 385
    9 15 135 520
    10 21 210 730
    11 30 330 1060
    12 44 528 1588

    99% Probability
     
  3. Rheti

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    Summary
    Results 1703
    Days 145
    Spins 18309

    Profit Costs Ratio Prblty
    39,6 2,1 19 75,98
    103,9 5,9 18 76,92
    51,3 8,1 6 99,06
    63,7 7,1 9 99,35
    33,6 9,5 4 99,94
     
  4. thereddiamanthe

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    You defined % for a hit in each 3 stages, 9/10.
    The probability of a single hit by the end of any stage
    1st -- 90%
    2nd -- 99%
    3rd -- 99.9%

    In the first stage, after the first 5 spins, the attack is over = one-hit to finish.
    5+6+7+8+9= 35

    Thereafter, the recovery begins, requiring at least two-hits to finish = you might need twi hits per stage, even more than that ad=fter a certain threshold.


    My questions is how many games are resolved in percentage at each stage & spin number?
    Provided you reset at first new high.
     
  5. Rheti

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    Ok again

    i gather mostly 5 spins, sometimes 6 becaise of a repeater.

    Next spin i start betting with numbers, if losing bet 6 numbers etc till 12 numbers

    Yje Winning rate of 5 to 12 is roughly 90%
    10% losing
    The highest Losing numbers afyer 5 months of spinning are 23.
    Meaning 22 numbers without any repeater, that was 23.
    Then I gather 5 numbers again
    and start betting 5 to 12 of with a progression.

    Stage 1 and 2 together 99% chance of winning

    5 256
    6 241
    7 239
    8 240
    9 203
    10 132
    11 116
    12 110
    total winning 1537
    total losing 1 stage 172

    total winning 2 stage 157
    losing 15

    Winnig 3 stage for the dare devils 15
    100% score in 5 months
     

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  6. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    OK.

    If you now make a vertical list of 1-50 let's say & 3 main columns displaying the games till (+) in %, how woukd the table look like.

    TOTAL GAMES=
    TOTAL SPINS=
    1st-hit (+) max exposition
    1 256 | % ? | % -? units
    2
    3
    4
     
  7. Rheti

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    one example in detail

    1-7-2023 table 4 Wiesbaden

    here are the spins

    1 7
    2 19
    3 23
    4 30
    5 20
    6 23
    7 35
    8 30
    9 20
    10 5
    11 9
    12 10
    13 26
    14 2
    15 29
    16 21
    17 14
    18 2
    19 13
    20 30
    21 6
    22 19
    23 28
    24 6
    25 14
    26 27
    27 9
    28 27
    29 35
    30 11
    31 16
    32 33
    33 8
    34 5
    35 35
    36 15
    37 30
    38 29
    39 1
    40 9
    41 34
    42 27
    43 3
    44 22
    45 17
    46 25
    47 13
    48 13
    49 17
    50 14
    51 36
    52 9
    53 2
    54 23
    55 12
    56 0
    57 35
    58 18
    59 34
    60 17
    61 6
    62 26
    63 24
    64 24
    65 20
    66 15
    67 10
    68 12
    69 2
    70 22
    71 8
    72 9
    73 25
    74 32
    75 35
    76 7
    77 36
    78 35
    79 24
    80 26
    81 1
    82 18
    83 17
    84 25
    85 28
    86 0
    87 26
    88 6
    89 3
    90 21
    91 26
    92 18
    93 0
    94 3
    95 10
    96 21
    97 9
    98 22
    99 35
    100 36
    101 4
    102 18
    103 24
    104 35
    105 1
    106 28
    107 35
    108 35
    109 32
    110 19
    111 21
    112 25
    113 4
    114 10
    115 36
    116 10
     

  8. Rheti

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    in holland is this roughly 5 hrs of spinning and 10-12 results of the 5 spins strategy.. enough for me.
     
  9. Rheti

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    result-1

    7
    19
    20
    23 5
    30

    result-2

    2 11
    5
    9
    10
    14
    20
    21
    26
    29
    30
    35

    result-3

    6 5
    13
    19
    28
    30

    Result-4

    5
    8
    9
    11
    14
    16
    27
    33
    35 9

    Result-5

    1
    3
    9
    13 12
    15
    17
    22
    25
    27
    29
    30
    34

    Result-6

    0
    2
    9
    12
    14
    17 11
    18
    23
    34
    35
    36
     
  10. Rheti

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    Result-7

    2
    6
    7
    8
    9
    10
    12
    15
    20
    22
    24
    25
    26
    32
    35 16
    36

    LOsing in Stage-1

    Result-8
    Winning in stage-2

    1
    0
    17
    18
    24
    25
    26 8
    28

    Result-9

    0
    3 6
    6
    18
    21
    26

    Result-10

    4
    9
    10
    18
    21
    22
    24
    35 9
    36

    Result-11
    1
    4
    10 10
    19
    21
    25
    28
    32
    35
    36
     
  11. Rheti

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    in euro

    62 62
    6 68
    62 130
    23 153
    18 171
    6 177
    -162 15
    173 188
    20 208
    23 231
    3 234
     
  12. Richie

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    Hi Rheti,

    Good work, but this will bite you in the ass in several ways (I am here to help):

    Absolutely no way you can get those stage 3 bets down on live table, unless private table (Ie Min bet £50-100 per chip).
    If online via live dealer, still no chance. If using a bot to place bets, then good luck getting the payout from the casino. In the past I have tried this type of progression (positive progression though), but came up against repeated "Bets not accepted", "Bets rejected" and of course the old loss of signal from the casino. They will use the old "We suspect the use of automated software" = no pay out for you.

    Even if you can overcome this, you will get kicked out in the middle of a progression and unable to log back in. IE: Your password is incorrect. Your only recourse is to ring via telephone in the morning only to be told:
    "Sorry, but you reset your password..."
    "Ehmmm. No, I fuckin didn't..."
    "Ok sir, please log in again and try again."
    Surprise, can log back in, but obviously the progression is fuXked.

    As for live tables, trying it in the higher levels is a nightmare.

    Are you doing this live in a B+M? If so, then full respect to you sir.
     
  13. Rheti

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    Nit correct,,

    In Holland we have the possibiliy to sit at an machine following tablws,
    mun 1 euri max 40 euro
    rgb you walk to the table with a lot of ,oney and fininsh the job max 200 euro

    si I have the spectrum of 1 to 200 euro
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

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    Rheti, those stats formats make no sense to me, except for the profit one.

    Try to see the sessions as the chain of games to positive (+1), or if you opt so terminations (stop-loss). So each new ga e stats begin at the spin1.

    Thereof, the first column being tne first hit should have fewer & fewer instances as the stats move deeper down vertically.

    Same way in the game resolution column by any spin number, although the number of instances would be less congested simply due to the fact that two or more hits are required to restat at spin1, irregardless how many spins or games the session is long. Meaning session length is upon discretion & ghe chain curtailed ad-hocbased by time or number of predetermind amount of units as the session goal, or both mixed.



    TOTAL GAMES= how many timss restarted from s;in1.
    TOTAL SPINS= total slins over all games combined, cumulative
    .........1st-hit............... (+).......................max exposition
    1.... 256..| ..%............ ? | %......................... -? units
    2
    3
    4
    ..
    ..


    First hit= once any game is resolved & restarted at spin1, how many spins it took to get tne first hjt, & percentages are number of instances (256) divided by number the number of total games.

    Positive (+)= first few spuns' values should be the same (attack, one-hit to finish), once in the recovery al, those instances amounts congested in '₣irst Hit' should thin out, now each new instance added being a few hits to finish converted to one.

    & the max exposition amount or range furthest right.
     
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    That gives you a standardized way of evaluating games (how you actually batch those into sessions is up to you).

    I'd actually turn the Stats Table around starting with the exposition column first, then align game instances in accordance with those. For some reason you (still) prefer to focus on & around spins.

    This standardized template gives you then a straightforward way for the fungibility of results/stats for further refinements & fine-tunings, especially when determing the optimal termination threshold knowing what % of the games are resolved by a certain exposition amount or range & spins, plus the optimal length of the attack.
     
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    I probably don't need to tell you, but the longer the attack is & as well, the higher the amount over ±0 at new high .. the higher exposition amounts will be, & vice versa.

    That is, if you wanna lower your bankroll amount. Why!? Important for the rate of compounding effect.

    The lower the bankroll, the higher the profits amount will be proportionally in relation to it = quicker base unit increase rate & profits.

    So you prevent being stck in what I call profits gravity well, where you make just enough to sponeor & maintain your lifestyle, & even if you reinvest everything it takes ages to increase the base unit higher .. meanwhile you system should be optimized for the highest/quickest compounding increase rate, catapulting you in high-stakes territory in no time = scalability.
     
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    The first thing to lower your bankroll is to adjust to higher payouts, at least in the beginning even if you the progress in risk to playing SU deeper in the recovery.

    Eg. completely arbitrarily, you may as well start with bigger position, let's say Quads/Corners for aby of them to repeat; or parachute your way towards SU expanding horizontally on each spin adjusting the payouts on the way according to where you want your attack to finish.

    Ultimately, you might make fewer units .. but proportionally to the bankroll required more = increasing the base unit quicker ... so when you reach the current bankroll amount you'll be definitely making more & going up faster.

    With that lower bankroll & exposition amounts your progression amounts will be lower, being able to put it in0between the table limits even the base unit increases .. & then move to high-stakes avebues ASAP, where even the small chunk of the profits made with everything else reinvested, means huge purchasing power with those injected in the realm of the real world.
     
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    Anyway, just a few thoughts ..

    'Do as you wish.


    (I've atrached the STATS template -- perhaps it will serve you well
    https://www.mediafire.com/file/sbd07jrxa0zigrj/STATS++v0.23.xlsx/file
    games resolved arranged by the exposition & spins simultaneously on top, with completely customizeable ranges or amounts & their increase .. you can change those by modifying the formulas or typing them manually, keeping the same format!
    you also modify the attack amount = the exposition the attack converts into the recovery, so you only input the recovery games in the section below.
    in the bottom section pertaining to an individual session, beside the standard parameters markedwith red arrows (everything else is automatized), input the max exposition for each recovery game & the number of spins it took to finish
    there's a link to instruction video if needed in the left top corner, watch it at the too speed)
     

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    Summary 5 Months of Spinning

    Results 1753
    Days 150
    Spins 18869

    Profit Costs Ratio
    103,2 5,9 17
    56,6 8,1 7
    67,6 7,1 9
    34,6 9,5 4



    Prblty Profit daily
    76,84 5907
    99,09 1183
    99,37 922
    99,94 217


    35 days ago
    17,1 86,1
    21,3 35,2
    21,5 46,1
    7,7 26,8
     
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    ah, Ok, I see.
    So you play live dealer in casino via terminal, but when need to increase from 40 to 200 you go to the actual live table?
    How do you cash out/ ie ticket print, and then get to table to place bets before the next spin?
    That's a lot of numbers and chips to place quickly...
    I don't doubt you, just rying to understand how you progress without any hiccups :)
     

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