Roulette A Challenge 2 - for Turbo M

Guys,

You're just throwing junk at the wall hoping that something will stick.

The first problem is that you're trying to beat a random game, rather than trying to exploit a gaming device/wheel. (Impossible.)

The second problem... you're ignoring the wheel, the playing conditions and are focusing on just numeric data. This increases the amount of data that you need 10 fold.

If you're going to rely on data, collect better data:

1. Wheel spin direction. Segregate your data by direction
2. Wheel speed matters. Make some approximations for it. Again segregate the data.
3. Use better tests to find relevant results, such as coefficient of restitution testing, use chi square, and standard deviation tests, limit the degrees of freedom by carefully definining your tests, do out of sample testing, and collect relevant amounts of data.

Focus on the wheel, not the layout.

 

Eugene,

Lose the streets. You're washing out any advantage that you might find by adding additional random goats (numbers) to your bet and you're increasing the data you need 10 fold. You'd be better off just betting the last few numbers to have hit than chasing the streets.

Again ignore the layout.

 

$2,725.00

 

@TurboGenius G,

How do you deal with very choppy/balanced results?
If your positive progression is aggressive, you would risk to lose more than what you won.
You said you have never lost and I believe you but everything is relevant...you see if you risk 1000 units per roulette session and you average 100 units profit, then 1 lost session could cost 10 winning ones, do you take under consideration the balance between risk and reward?
The bad thing about positive progressions is that 1 lost series of bets could wipe out several wins, for example you win on 18th successive bet with 1 unit thus your net is 36-18=18 you raise to 2 units and win for second time on 24th spin and your net is 36-24=12 units, you raise again to 3 units and this time you lose 3 x 36=108 units, deduct your previous won units 36 and you are net loser of 72 units.
There are times which a number hits twice within short time and then disappears for long, while other times keeps banging regularly for 10 cycles or even more, how could you know which is your case beforehand??
In other words only certain criteria to prequalify your game could make you winner and not the progression, I'm afraid Mike was right about the progressions, when your number comes whatever you have on the top of it it would be profit, the opposite is also true of course.
Consider a progression as personal declaration which you back your expectation that your selection is going to hit within a certain amount of spins.
All outcomes are certain to come eventually at a vague point in time, therefore it's not so much about what but about when, timing is everything!
There are no hot and cold or good and bad bet selections, only favorable (or not) moments for specific conditions.
Synch yourselves with the wheel and feel its rhythm within you, watch it again and again till you and roulette becomes one.

 

eugene

what exactly are you doing with the streets?

betting ones that hit above expectation?

 

nice play Turbo!

Maximum value chips were $50?

 

50 on a number - I never had to bet more than 1 number that high for the entire time, the other bets were smaller ones but never had to play more than 6 numbers total (and 6 numbers being bet on was only for 1 spin).
Very manageable. #35 showed 9 times in that gap and I won on it a few times - was far from perfect but still managed to be on it enough times to get the wins I needed due to how the process works.
Player's edge (no, not house edge) was 66% ish - well above what I expected but not complaining about that either.

 

yes, 50 on a number. Nice play.

Turbo, did you try to play some online casinos, for a fun money, for practicing your method, in past? If did, were results always good?

 

Focus on the math - not the wheel and certainly not the layout.
The only time the wheel comes into play is if you're looking for a biased wheel - which the odds are amazingly great that you won't find one.

Everything in that post is great for advantage players seeking the "bias wheel" play and has absolutely nothing to do with system/method players... I'm not sure why it's even brought up.

Wheel direction doesn't change math. Wheel speed doesn't change math. Approximations and segregation is useless with math. The outcome provides random (random enough) results and with math you're done. Making it more complex is fine if you're planning to exploit a wheel - not if you're using a system or method that these guys will tell you is impossible to win with lol

 

Math will also beat the electrinic gaming machine or rng. Why need to test a lot? Go and play there . The rng will show you where is the hole if there is a hole.if not still u r winning. Even if rng is cheat u can consider the spin as random that just against u.I will never get a chance to bet the live wheel this much bet a big crowd there. There is no rebet option. One spin finish then will forget where i put how much. I tested 100 games according to instruction. All comes out as winner. But sometimes need big money.dont know what happen next.

 

Sorry Turbo,

But the math does everything BUT support your system.

 

This is only 134 spins.
How do you deal with very choppy/balanced results?
If your positive progression is aggressive, you would risk to lose more than what you won.
You said you have never lost and I believe you but everything is relevant...you see if you risk 1000 units per roulette session and you average 100 units profit, then 1 lost session could cost 10 winning ones, do you take under consideration the balance between risk and reward?
The bad thing about positive progressions is that 1 lost series of bets could wipe out several wins, for example you win on 18th successive bet with 1 unit thus your net is 36-18=18 you raise to 2 units and win for second time on 24th spin and your net is 36-24=12 units, you raise again to 3 units and this time you lose 3 x 36=108 units, deduct your previous won units 36 and you are net loser of 72 units.
There are times which a number hits twice within short time and then disappears for long, while other times keeps banging regularly for 10 cycles or even more, how could you know which is your case beforehand??
In other words only certain criteria to prequalify your game could make you winner and not the progression, I'm afraid Mike was right about the progressions, when your number comes whatever you have on the top of it it would be profit, the opposite is also true of course.
Consider a progression as personal declaration which you back your expectation that your selection is going to hit within a certain amount of spins.
All outcomes are certain to come eventually at a vague point in time, therefore it's not so much about what but about when, timing is everything!
There are no hot and cold or good and bad bet selections, only favorable (or not) moments for specific conditions.
Synch yourselves with the wheel and feel its rhythm within you, watch it again and again till you and roulette becomes one.

 

I guess this must be "hidden" math, because the standard math says we can't win just playing the GAME, no matter how we choose to play it.

 

Turbo, can you send me spins? on email

 

He says focus on the math, so where's the math that supports the wild claims?

 

First, I claim to know dick about what math TG is using. This is simply what I can contribute to the discussion.

Isn't it all really about distribution. My pondering here is that people always think things are normally distributed, but the distance between a number is not. This is not a normal curve, therefore any laws around normal distributions do not apply.

Here are 25k spins and we are only looking at the distance between the #1 hitting. As we expect it can be hot and also very cold. The average number of spins is, of course, 38. The pink box is an estimation of all the hits between 0 & 38.

The average hit, when it hits <=38 spins is, again no surprise, 24. The interesting thing is that the average spin when >38 is 78.



So the question is would you rather wager in the box or out of the box?

 

RG >> What do you think that means, if anything? Give me an example.

Ken

 

Why ? Because the odds of winning are 1 in 38 and the payout is 35 to 1 right ?
I already told you how to change that into your favor.
I guess it's getting old / broken record, so I won't keep going.
I never play at the house edge - you have to stop thinking of 1 individual spin as being the definition of the game of roulette.

Maybe - think this way...
You know the house "edge".

If you take any person who comes to the table to play and wait until they are done - did they lose at exactly the house edge ? No. They will either do better than expected and win or they will lose at the house edge or worse.
So it's not set in stone because you are looking at 1 spin and then saying that math doesn't change no matter how many spins you play. It's not how it works and common sense should tell you this.
The ONLY way a person can end up losing at the expected "house edge" is to play every number on the table for every spin.
Then, when they are done - they will have lost at exactly the house edge.
(No one bets this way). If your only answer to this is that a person who won was "lucky" (which doesn't exist) then you are missing a lot. What other answer could you have ? People don't lose at the house edge, they do better or worse. So what makes a winner win TM ? Try not to use the word luck....
They play numbers that ended up appearing above expectation right ?
And you can then say "You can't know what numbers are going to appear above expectation beforehand !"
and then I'll say - Dammit read my posts again. It's all there.
It's not "hidden math", it's not mumbo-jumbo or mystical powers lol. Just think.
And yes Sir Anyone - the "math" does exactly back up what I'm saying, if you can manage to think past 1:38 vs 35:1 and the house edge on any single spin.

 

Turbo

you have already displayed and explained the math of what you are putting forth

continuing to respond to caleb and turbo moron helps nothing

nothing would ever change calebs mind, not now, not in a million years

keep on keeping on with this as I am beginning to grasp it