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Roulette a VERY good repeater (hot) number method from Ken

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by mr j, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So here is its disadvantage rate:

    1
    -0.925825
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    0.074175

    That's a 7.4 % percent disadvantage, mainly caused by the numbers used in each 500+ spin trial. I'm sure that if I found the best sample size that it would drop to 5.4%.

    It means that radical obfuscation has no advantage.
     
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  2. mr j

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    or a close form of. Its there buddy, see it.

    Ken
     
  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    With regards to a single number at a time, I have some old software that allows me to test how many spins at a time to wait for a repeat. I can set it at 1 to 100+ if I want. My other software suggests an average number of 22 for very hot numbers. I was wondering what your opinion on that would be Ken?
     
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    This I dont agree with BUT its only my opinion!

    Ken
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    It is my opinion that anyone should get good at guessing the hottest number. That way they can see how good they would be with three to five numbers. I've decided to set it at 6. That way I can find out if 25% of the average 22-24 spins has characteristics. This is about practice only. I know that a real session will have its own unique character. A short lived hot number will do it's thing in under 38 spins. I mean it will hit 3 or 4 times in a single cycle. That is what I have not tried to get good at, betting on those short bursts. I know that your method here tries to take that into account. So I will keep it in mind. The skill is in getting off a number that cools off.
     
  6. gizmotron

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    So I took an old sim and adjusted it to change the gap between multiple spins. I mean I can select 4 spins, 6 spins, 7 spins, etc... It runs those selected number of spins and does the all the math at $5 chips, flat betting. I just wanted to see how good I could get at guessing and shifting a single hot number. I got these results:

    spins = 84, gap used = 6, win total = 300
    spins = 36, gap used = 6, win total = 360
    spins = 96, gap used = 6, win total = 240
    spins = 168, gap used = 6, win total = 240
    spins = 126, gap used = 6, win total = 90
    spins = 342, gap used = 6, win total = 90
    spins = 72, gap used = 6, win total = 180

    But it also reveals that a selected hot number can sleep for quite a while. So I'm going to make the app use 1 to 5 numbers all at once. And then I can search for the best number of spins between stops. I can check my chart to see new active hot numbers while seeing the old hot numbers selected, and how they are doing. So I can use the sim to quick check Ken's method in this thread. It was half built already, so all I had to do was add a few features.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    I gave up on hot numbers years ago for a reason. I wanted faster action. But I also wanted the massive kill off the casino with a super win streak and was willing to descend deep in order to reach that killer sequence. That has been my Achilles Heel for the past decade. But I recognize that as a strategic flaw. What cured me was to practice just winning three net wins and out. Now, I really do know how to kill off the casino in a huge and obvious win streak. So today I'm going to play at least one long session of practice just to prove that I can stay out of the deep holes while grinding away at steady upward advances. It's like fighting for each net win, as long as the deep holes are avoided.

    Ken's method here teaches how to get off the cold numbers and come back to them if they heat back up. So that is how I'm going to do it with my 24 numbers. I sometimes reverse the bets and bet the 12 instead. And sometimes I bet 16, 22, or 26 numbers. It's just the way that I trained myself over the past decade. That's what I'm good at. But this thread taught me to get off the cold spots faster. It was and is not a waste of time for me. Here is today's practice session:

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    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- 78 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 114 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 150 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 192 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Lost  -- 120 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 156 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 3
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 192 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Lost  -- 144 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 204 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 246 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Won -- 230 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next)
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 318 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Lost  -- 222 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Won -- 174 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 19 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Won -- 174 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Won -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 230 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Won -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 446 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Lost  -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 446 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 516 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Won -- 576
     
  8. SERGIO

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    Hello M
    I would like to know more clues about this game, could you give clues to the game that you say more advanced? I also realized that it can also be done with 3 strokes in 24 spins, right?
    regards
     
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    i'll give you a clue sergio. hot numbers are good yes, but hot groups are better.
     
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    Hello M
    I would like to know more clues about this game, could you give clues to the game that you say more advanced? I also realized that it can also be done with 3 strokes in 24 spins, right?
    regards
     
  11. SERGIO

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    Hello bombus.
    The groups of number numbers? 3?
    Thanks for responder, greetings
     
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    I could only hit "like" once, shame... deserves more.
     
  13. SERGIO

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    Ken's works well.
    Any recommendation? Thanks Turbo
     
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    that 's Cool !!
     
  15. Sharptracker

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    Despite the negative edge, the mechanic of the system is nice.

    I'm not really agree with the flat bet MM. You should use an agressive positive progression as soon as the balance is positive.
     
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    Ken's works well.
    Any recommendation Turbo? Thank you
    Sharptracker, could you give some detail or example of how to do it? Are you saying of playing Ken with Turbo progression? Thanks greetings
     
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    Sergio, you can use any of your choice. We could for example imagine one with flat bet on left numbers that feeds a progression on the right number ( the hottest).
     
  18. SERGIO

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    I do not understand very well what you want to tell me, the same is the translation.
    Could you give me an example, if you do not want to publish it privately please?
    Thanks for helping
    regards
     
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    You can use any progression of your choice till it is a positive progression (in my opinion).

    You can for example set a 18 numbers bet and divide it in several bets (if you bet 0 (18-1) then 0/32 (17-2) 0/32 again (15-2) etc etc If you win you write a + if you lose you write a -.
    If you get two consecutive ++ you start to follow fibonacci progression 1-1 2-2 3-3 5-5 8-8 13-13 21-21 (in real it is 20-20 coz of max bet on a straight). You can follow it in a session but you could also play it on several session and simply restart where you were. The aim is to win the second 20 units bet step. There is 14 steps (you can reduce it whatever you want) If you win you go 1 step on the right 1>1>2>2. If you lose a block you go on the left. If you were on the 4th step and you lose, you're going back to step 2.

    As you probaling frowning right now because of my english :) here's a list of numbers.

    11
    19
    11 bet on 11 (and 17 chips remains on my block of 18 chips)
    22 bet on 11 (16 remains)
    26 bet on 11 (15)
    30 bet on 11 (14)
    22 bet on 11/22 (12)
    24 bet on 11/22 (10)
    17 bet on 11/22 (8)
    11 win on 11 i write a + and i got 8 chips remaining that i report to my new block (step 2) so i got 26 chips to play. Still playing 22/11 (24)
    21 bet on 22/11 (22)
    24 bet on 22/11/24 (19)
    31 bet on 22/11/24 (16)
    6 bet on 22/11/24 (13)
    13 bet on 22/11/24 (10)
    3 bet on 22/11/24 (7)
    1 bet on 22/11/24 (4)
    11 win on 11 + i can go then step 3 that is a bet of 2 units. 4 units remains/2unit bet. I got 2 units to add to my block,i got 20chips.Bet 24/11
    33 bet on 24/11 (16)
    14 bet on 24/11 (14)
    20 bet on 24/11 (12)
    25 bet on 24/11 (10)
    28 bet on 24/11 (8)
    0 bet on 24/11 (6)
    4 bet on 24/11 (4)
    26 bet on 24/11 (2)
    19 bet on 24/11 (0)
    25 i write a loss (-) and i go back to step 1 with 1 unit. Bet on 24/11/25 (18-3=15)
    27 bet on 24/11/25 (12)
    9 bet on 24/11/25 (9)
    25 win on 25 (+) Going to step 2 with a block of 27 chips to play. Bet on 25 (26)
    11 :( bet on 25 (25)
    32 bet on 25 (24)
    6 bet on 25 (23)
    19 bet on 25/19 (21)
    32 bet on 25/19/32 (18)
    13 bet on 25/19/32 (15)
    15 bet on 25/19/32 (12)
    15 bet on 25/19/32/15 (8)
    27 bet on 25/19/32/15 (4)
    32 win on 32 (+) going to step 3 win 2 units bet (4units remains/2units bet) i got 20 chips to play. Bet on 15/32 (18)
    35 bet on 32/15 (16)
    3 bet on 32/15 (14)
    0 bet on 32/15 (12)
    33 bet on 32/15 (10)
    23 bet on 32/15 (8)
    33 bet on 32/15/33 (5)
    30 bet on 32/15/33 (2)
    7 bet on 32/15/33 (-1*)
    33 win going to step 4 with a 2 units bet. I got a block of 17 chips to play. Bet on 33

    etc etc....

    As you can see, more numbers you bet quicker your block decrease. That's why i was saying to apply the progression on to 1 number (the one that is on the right of the list). If you got a win on others numbers you bet, it is just feeding the progression on the solo numbers. I'll try to make another example soon.
     
  20. SERGIO

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    Thanks, you already say, more or less.
    But do you think that's better than playing flat?
    Is not it better to take all the chances and play them with a smooth or aggressive progression to success?
    I hope your other example, thanks again, I'm grateful, regards
     

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