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TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 3 - 2020

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. CarloDarlo

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    Well outside of my immense skepticism of anybody on this Earth.I have after consistent testing. Actually made a profitable system from this. Will be testing much further.

    1. I dont believe in No Law of Third bullshit. It's all averages and if you got enough bankroll to bet on numbers cycling above and below Standard Deviation be my guest. You'll blow your account up. Nothing is "due"... BUT

    2. Leads to my next point. While nothing is ever "due". Something can be statistically probable of occurring. Big difference.

    3. Example: "3" hasnt landed in 100 spins. While it can likely go all the way to 400+ and beyond without not hitting. Will it?

    But just look for "anomalies" in data. Stuff that shouldn't happen and if it is not for very long.... Random can only be stretched so far in roulette.

    Example: while 16 reds in a row can occur.

    It's never occurred for every roulette number to come sequentially.

    While math tells you it's very much possible.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    So... are you saying that you believe that the law of the third does exist? Are you saying that you don't believe that it doesn't exist? (Which also means it does exist.)
     
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  3. CarloDarlo

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    Sir. I dont believe in the law of third. But I do believe in testing it myself to prove or confirm my current belief system is what I ment to outline above. I'm currently surprised that I might possibly be wrong. Much more testing to do on variety of wheels and software to eliminate any biases that could be present.
     
  4. Ka2

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    You dont know math.

    16 numbers 1 to 16 sequentially according to your "knowledge" this never occurred and will never happen.

    the odds are 1 in 1212416

    I Pick A random string of 16 random numbers and that will be my string to see if it ever happend.

    my created string happening is 1 in 1212416.

    We both start playing. So according to your "math" you have a bigger chance of winning (because your string will never show up.) ...

    ask a 100 people to ask what is more random (head tails)

    HTTHTHTH

    or

    TTTTTTTT

    99 people will say the second one is not random same with 99% of the people on this forum... including you I'm afraid.
     
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  5. Ka2

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    Your data is flawed, i've put the above in excel. Yes you get 80% right. Yes ALL numbers combined show a 1:24 hit rate on average.

    But you did not take into account that when a number isnt the same as the one before they came later in the game. This number has to go somewhere right?

    2 Choices

    A. we drop the number. and start with the next number in line immediately and add the loss to the next number.

    B. we only drop the number once it hits. and start with the next number in line immediately and add the loss to the next number.

    So example A

    8 26
    8 7
    8 11

    12 X 11 spins are added to the 12
    12 25 (total for 12 is now 1 hit in 37)
    X
    X


    8 26
    8 7
    8 11

    12 X the next hit on 8 is on spin 63 so 63 is added to the average
    12 25
    X
    X

    What do you all think what the hit rate is going to be for both scenarios? If tested it, they are both 1:37. Just the same as the horse race and the other anolgies.

    Now truth to be told you already said not betting them all the time. So you got of the hook there :)

    I've tested the above with even 200 hits the percentage right was even a whopping 93%!!! Incredible right?

    Played all, hitrate was 1:37

    So with being right 93% of the time it still was 1:37.

    So even with that info we have to play not all the time, how can you accomplish that when picking horses that come in 1:37 when the first data set is not helping on bit.
     
  6. CarloDarlo

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    I don't think you understand. I'm not saying a random batch of numbers. I'm talking about a subset of very specific numbers that are scattered across the wheel. You wont find numbers rolling in 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 etc. in there exact order. There is a very good reason for this. Fun test has any lottery ever drawn 1,2,3,4,5,6 as the winning numbers?? I would venture NO.

    What is being stated is this. Math says every thing is possible at every time......

    This is only true once in engage in a single event. After may events throw that shit out the window
     
  7. Ka2

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    But the chances are the very same. So you are saying that they are not, then can you please explain why they are different mathematically?
     

  8. Ka2

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    @CarloDarlo

    I've created a new thread to explain things better, hope this will make it clear for everyone.
     
  9. Naughty but nice

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    As the data comes chief riddler said.
    Perhaps listen to Eugene; take the early win; you don't want to battle the wheel
     
  10. Gigi666

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    Hey Naughty, in this test run, were you increasing the stake on each number by 1 after every number shows up in the "race" positions, or only after you actually hit your number? I tried the latter without steady positive results.
     
  11. Naughty but nice

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    Every one of the top 4 is being bet. But at the start it's just unit of 1. The #20 flew in, but it's early. I don't mind losses at the begining. As the data is showing the top 4's performance, you can gauge when to increase the unit.
    The hit count showing the 1st time I get 3, how do you get the 3 hits, you have to bet the performers.

    The #36,spin 68 gave no profit, but spin 67 did, because he was 1 of the top 4 at spin 4.

    As the data keeps coming you look to your BR, gauge when to increase. Look at the win on spin 119, where did it come from? Some #'s leave, some will come back. Look how far back, the saying peters paid back Paul. But, what is the average to hit at spin 119? Will the performers hit more often than not?
    I have a profit.


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    Now I can start to drop some numbers or reduce the stake.
     
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  12. Naughty but nice

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    Start betting the top 4 only, units of 1.

    On 6th spin, win. Still bet the top 4 performers at unit of 1.

    9th spin is repeat, but not one of the top 4 performers. This now gives a 5th top 4 performer, add this to your bet at unit of 1.

    Another repeat, now have 6 top performers.

    Now have 4 R1’s, that still gives 6 too bet. Profit +4, still bet with units of 1, as data is small.

    Spin 18 is repeat, but not one of the 6. There’s now 5, R1’s, but we only use the top 4 performers.

    BR stands at -32, so, next bet takes us below, what a win would return; so, now your choice is whether to increase the stakes?

    At spin 27, having doubled the units, now have to decide do I increase?

    30th spin and 1st R2 is in. I’m still down! But not concerned. It gives another performer.

    Nice, I doubled the units and the R2 went straight to R3, +80.

    Now, am I good enough to keep going; or like Eugene take the profit, this will stop having to beat the wheel.

    Carried on, the actual R2 have not come from the top 4 performers!

    Spin 34 a top 4 performer hits and +94 from units of 1.

    Spin 37 a top 4 performer hits, with unit of 1, +106.


    (Now I work on spins of 10; up to 60 spins. There have been 14 repeats; with 3 spins to come will we get the known average of 16 repeats in 40 spins?) If the average of 16 repeats show, it doesn’t mean it will be a top 4 perform.

    40 spins, 17 repeats, last 3 were all repeats but not from top 4 performers.

    Spin 41 a top performer, +110. Still using unit of 1.

    Spin 47 a double 15 gives R3, but not a win. We now have 9 top 4 performers.

    The added #15, hits, a win +82, so still in profit, need to revaluate the units.

    Left the units as were, #28 hits spin 53; it’s a top 4 performer, that shows as an R1; +118.

    Left the units as they were; spin54, #6 hits a top 4 performer.

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  14. Gigi666

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    Nice step by step Naughty
     

  15. Naughty but nice

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    The orange line, below is R4; who will become 4th, R4. Will it be a top 4 performer?

    Now, the 10 top 4 performers, see X’s, surely, they have a good chance. Are #’s 7-23 going to fly in?

    Can you say 69 spins and top performer at 7 hits, the performers are averaging to hit in 10 spins?

    Could, whilst betting, one of the R2 top performers hit?

    So, what you need to consider is staking.
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  16. Naughty but nice

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    #7 flew in
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    Not a top 4 thou.
     
  17. Naughty but nice

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    That's it, got to go.
     
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    Hey naughty,

    job is done, but with a high risk, you put so much chips on the table and for so many spins before getting something out of that. I feel on a bad session it might be tricky to get out of so much loss. I wouldn't play so many numbers if I were you, and try to target the best moment for betting.

    xx
     
  19. Naughty but nice

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    So, we start by using the 1st 4 top performers. As game goes on, more top 4 performers become active.

    When we have 4 R1’s, how many will be from the top 4, 1x’s? How can you claim, say the 2 hits from the top 4 1x’s; you have to bet all top 4 performers.

    Once the 1st 4 are known, i.e., 1st 4 spins; then as spins come, more 1x’s appear, when the 1st R1 shows, will it be one from the 1st 4 spins.

    Betting the 1st 4 spins, costs 10 units; and then every spin costs just 4 units, unlike carrying on betting all 1x’s, that will cost x number of units as spins go by.

    Now the game using to write this, has 4 R1’s at spin 16 and only 1 of the R1’s came from the 1x’s.

    How do we stake this game now? I’ll try using 1-2-4-7, etc.

    Now, I’ve had 2 wins, but only from the 4, 1x’s. There are 7 numbers being bet. 5 at 2 units and 2 at unit of 1.

    Okay, the #1 has gone R2, but was not one of the top 4 performers. As we are going to bet all top performers, the #1, I’ll bet with 4 units.

    Performer units

    1x’s 1

    R1 2

    R2 4

    At 20 spins we know the average is 4 repeats, but this game has 8 repeats. Does this mean, R-sim is now going to put 0x’s in to balance the spins? If this happens, then the bankroll will take a hit. (Don’t Turbo say take 3000; to win 3000?).
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    So, we got a win, BR is in the minus.

    12 repeats; at 30 spins repeats should be 9, not 12.
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    Forum experts will say betting too many numbers.


    40 spins, 17 repeats, repeats are +1 to the data average of 16 repeats, that usually show as 1-3-5-7 and at 60 spins 30 repeats.

    Considering the small number of wins, the BR is not too bad.
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    From 40th spin to the now 60th spin, BR is still in good shape.

    Highlighted are the 31; 1x’s from the starting 37. So, 29 repeats, just -1 to the known 30@ 60 spins.
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    Spin 60, 31 of the starting 37 had hit. So, just 6 remain. 9 spins later, I have a profit. But, 3 of the remaining 6 have hit, shown red.
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    Another win from one of the top 4 performers, the #10. As #10 was in the 1st top 4, did I need to drop this number, no, as the hits kept coming, it increased its unit being bet.
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  20. Naughty but nice

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    Another win with the top4 performers.
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    You decide, do you carry on, or take the units.
     
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