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TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 3 - 2020

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    We have been down this road a couple of times ;) No you will not have a session with all zeros. Correct!

    But sometimes you will have a session with lots of zeros. the Maximum I had was 20 zeros in a 10 x 3 game! How would you deal with that scenario? Legit Question

    Also try this!

    Play a 10 x 3 game. Whenever a place gets hit. Pick a random number (instead of the number that is in 1x 2x or 3x place)

    Will there be a difference? Will there be less or more zeros? Will there be a change in hitrate?

    You see, if you have a betting strategy always test it with "normal" random numbers in stead of your chosen number(s) to see if there is a difference. If there is one you have something you can work with. Unfortunately I could not find a single difference in all my testing.

    So the only that is working now, is your progression. And as always a progression can go a long way...
     
  2. Timothy

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    220 spins on average should have your first 12x. I don't think you will see a session with all 0's in the matches column. Have you seen one?
     
  3. Ka2

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    No I havent seen one, like I said the maximum was 20 zeroes out of 30 positions. (3 x 10 game)
     
  4. Ka2

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    Maybe the testing is not clear to everyone.

    What I mean is like this.

    3 columns like always.


    1x 26 - 12 - 15
    2x 18 - 15 - 13
    3x 15 - 28 - 19
    4x etc etc etc
    5x
    6x
    7x
    8x
    9x
    10x


    first column nr 26 hits on spin 1. at 2x spin nr 18 hits on spin 12. Now at spin 2 pick a random nr except nr 26 play this nr until this first 2x pos is taken (in this case nr18). (so even if your chosen nr get multiple hits you keep playing it until the second position is taken.)

    Now do this for all 10 x 30 positions. Do this 100 times. What will the data tell you!
     
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  5. TurboGenius

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    Refer to the first question above

    20 out of 30 is impossible, but regardless refer to the first question above.
    So your telling me (from the image I posted at the start of this thread showing matches) that you had a test where
    you had 20 zeros out of 30 positions ? Just asking because that is impossible.
    untitled6.png
     
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  6. Timothy

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    If you're tracking/recording like what I believe Turbo and Denzie mean, you would have no zeros in this example.
     
  7. Naughty but nice

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    Tim
    Winkle's Gut pic shows how the stream unfolds.
    From left to right. 1x goes 2x or R1 and so on.
    upload_2022-6-16_14-42-58.png
    Hmm look at the match 1's. ????
     

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    upload_2022-6-16_14-47-25.png
    Hope you can see
     
  9. Timothy

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    I see >0s, 1s, 2s and 3s all going to 37.
     
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    1x 26 - 12 - 15
    2x 18 - 15 - 13
    3x 15 - 28 - 19
    Yes from left to the right, like #15 2nd 2x, then who starts 3x the #15.
    Will #15 be 1st 4x? Why not someone has to start it.
     
  11. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    What's happening? It's a winner.
     

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  12. 6th-sense

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    just a couple of quotes from a few years ago by me on my thread

    Feb 11, 07:34 AM 2019

    Just need to do a quick explanation of the mechanics of roulette even though this thread is only about one cycle...

    You will never get 37 unique numbers out ever that 1st cycle will have to have at least one unhit and one repeat

    The mechanics of roulette is simple..

    At spin 37 unhit and repeat will be equally the same

    Every spin beyond will add a difference of one repeat to unhit

    Ie spin 38 the repeats will be one higher than unhits

    Ie spin 39 the repeats will be 2 higher than unhits

    Ie spin 40 the repeats will be 3 higher than unhits and so on

    Take any number say spin 74 the repeats will be 37 higher than unhit count

    The repeats ALWAYS go up further in relationship to the 1st cycle finishing and the spin count you look at

    Now if roulette was truly random this shouldn’t be happening

    This is the mechanics of roulette beyond 37 back to basics


    Feb 14, 05:27 AM 2019

    Thanks herby in a side note the mechanics of roulette for the 1st 37 numbers out are the oppisite ...unhits are the the greatest numbers out and will by definition be the same counting downwards the difference of the spin count rising to match the repeats on an even keel to the 37 spin end
     
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  13. 6th-sense

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    if you don,t believe me..input your spins on the ayk tracker or click on config and set to 74....hit the random button on 100 its linked to random.org ...or use your own spins...config at whatever number you set turns it into a rolling tracker

    click on any tabs ..unhit..unique..repeats to highlight there respective numbers ...you can download it on rouletteforumcc on my 37 back to basics thread...its there on one of the recent pages ..i can,t upload it here..it won,t allow me
     
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  14. Ka2

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    Uuuhhhmmm no it is not impossible? It happenend at test nr 465 to be exacted. There are a few of 19 and 18 zeros as well in 1500 tests.

    Yes I have many of those sessions like your screenshot. The average hitrate is 18.6 of 30

    But then again those sessions wherr you get lots of zeros and they DO happen, how would you deal with them? Legit question.
     

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    Ka2 can you post the spins?
     
  16. TurboGenius

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    So let me be clear. I think it's just miscommunication


    In my testing, the one posted above for example...there are 17 "zeros" if you want to call them that.
    That's not what we're talking about though - we're talking about all of the 3 being a zero.

    So if you look at my test there I posted -
    95% of the runs had a 1 or better in the "matches" column
    5% had a zero for all 3 results. It's a rare event to have all 3 be a zero - meaning for example
    the first numbers to get to 5x *for example* were ALL none of the numbers that got to 4x first.
    So all 3 were "new" numbers. This is very very rare.

    So if you had 20 out of 30 being zero..... then that could mean that you had
    a "1" in the matching column for all 10 runs at a minimum, meaning you had 20 zeros and every
    set of 3 only had 1 match from the previous set and this happened for 10 cycles in a row.
    My testing has always shown that getting 2 or 3 matches 50% of the time (for all 3 in the column)
    is normal results.

    Maybe recheck your testing software ? Maybe we are still on different pages.
     
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  17. Ka2

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    You are correct I'm talking about the total of zeros. All 3 numbers to be zero is rare indeed. I also have 95% 1 or better.

    But the point remains it is still 1:37 for me. Ive tried many different scenarios, betting all 3, betting just for 1 hit, 2 hits. Stop betting after x amount of spins etc etc. I could not win flat bet!

    Now I'm willing to go this far say we have always 1:37 in the end but the max spin count is 200 spins (gap) and pure random is (800) then there would be a difference. I'm working on that now to see if that works.
     
  18. nevk

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    Practically you can play this approach with below money mgmt parameters:

    Bank required: 1000 units.
    Stop loss: 1000 units
    Profit before you should reset a session: 500 units
    Average spins per session:200(impossible to play over this per day..am talking about B&M)

    Once you get a hit on any chosen number you simply add +1 only on that number. It is very controlled progression during the game with all our numbers having differential progression on them(so sleepers in our list will have only 1 unit and hottest will have about 8-10 units in 200 spins cycle).
     
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  19. Denzie

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    That's my point.. regardless if you don't like our chosen numbers vs random numbers...

    It's a way to get payed each time we play and thats the goal for me.
     
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  20. Ka2

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    I agree with you, but like I said if you count the spins between the hits (accumulative) it is still 1in37. So what gives? Also did you try to choose a random number in the test above. If you get different results than this strategy then it has meaning otherwise we are putting wool over our eyes...
     
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