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TurboGenius Advantage of Repeaters explained - part 3 - 2020

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Gigi666

    Gigi666 Active Member

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    True, what you've posted @Denzie is probably the most constructive feedback I got in years around repeaters and Turbo's "horse race" approach or whatever one wants to call it.
    Discipline is the trickiest part, but looks like you're doing fine
     
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  2. Gigi666

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    Played two games with some tweaks based on comments from @Denzie , of course too early to tell if I will hold myself from tilting if things go wrong, but...
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    Not all spin counts were captured along the way and I am sure someone playing zero that shows on spin 28 on 3x would hit a win on spin 29, but I focus on numbers that are not NEW in my little "racing" table, so playing zero and 25 only from 4x (25 I had 2u on at spin 42 as it was making a good progress from right to left I was betting it has a good chance to become a leader. Lowered bet on 25 back to 1u after a win on spin 57 but I had 2u on zero from spin 55 since it kept its leading position and hits were coming in good "time" vs the usual window for 4x and 5x.
    Quit only at +32u since two numbers were ahead by 2 spins which more often than not means going cold, adding to that spin count being within what I find a "golden" window so spins between 60-110 (next golden window is much closer to spins 170-220). You could also look at this from the point of drawdown, being -119 down going back up to +32 is over 100u in wins.

    Thats in general without going too much into details how I am planning to play, keeping stakes within a game within reason, so 1-2u and if the streak of two losing games come (in most cases losing a game would mean new laps opening up very late, like 4x only showing after spin 60, to what the averages show AND/OR top4 numbers swapping and no matches showing OR hitting -200u loss in one game, whichever comes first.

    Not sure Denzie what is your game losing streak or how many games out of 10 so your win rate %, but looking just at a collection of my "tables" I would expect no more than 2 losing games in a row and around 3 games losing in 10
     
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  3. Nimo

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    Just in case this helps, averages of first to hits on a double zero wheel. Remember these are averages not written in stone.

    3x =21.4
    4x=37.9
    5x=56.8
    6x=77.6
    7x=99.7
    8x=122.9
    9x=146.9
    10x=171.7
    11x=197.2
    12x=223.2
    13x=249.7
    14x=276.6
    15x=303.9
    16x=331.5
    17x=359.5
    18x=387.7
    19x=416.3
    20x=445.2
     
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  4. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    Hi Nimo. Averages are helpful.
    Gigi here we are +100 units.
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    The 9,1x took 10 spins and we'd expect 1 repeat in 1st 10.
    So, how many spins to get 9,2x?
    If you look to the right T3 has 3 matches to T9's 5. T9 is way off at the moment. I'd say at least -4 matches.
     
  5. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    28 spins and 8; R1. The genius said betting 9 horses could have 6 matches. Where have 2 of the 6 matches come from?
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    At 20 spins repeats are 6; +2 to the known average of 1-3-5-7
    T9 needs to have 9 matches to balance T3.
     
  6. Nimo

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    The 1-3-5-7 is refined gold!
     
  7. Naughty but nice

    Naughty but nice Well-Known Member

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    The 9;R1 took 33 spins. How many spins to get 9;R2? Remember 60 spins is usually 30/30.
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    30 spins had 10 repeats. +1 to their average.
    Flat betting still in profit.
     
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  8. mr j

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    Nice try but I'll be a bit more specific. It has NOTHING to do with a particular METHOD per say.

    Although, you are highly inaccurate regarding my success but we'll save that for another day. The *CONCEPT* of hot/repeaters was mocked on MANY MANY posts (yes, a while back I admit) by yourself and a few other goofs (lol).

    Fast forward to the present and I keep reading posts/threads regarding hot/repeaters by the SAME idiots who bashed the very same CONCEPT a couple years back. >>> "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

    Ken
     
  9. SERGIO

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    Well, I have to tell Mr. Denzie that I did find a way to take advantage of what Mr. Junior said, but logically I didn't stop at what he mentioned, I also investigated it and saw something really simple and winning.
    On the other hand, with Turbo genius, whom I respect and appreciate for everything he contributes, I didn't really find how to take full advantage of everything he explained. I did find ways to win with aggressive progressions, but it requires a big bank or less bank and taking on some lost sessions.
    Therefore, I believe that both Mr. Turbo Genius and Mr. Junior must be respected and grateful for everything they have shared selflessly. Thanks to these two people, many people have achieved their goal of making money playing the game. roulette consistently.
    But if I have to tell you which form of play I prefer from these two gentlemen, I prefer the mister junior form, really simple and effective in the long term, totally flat and if you want to maximize your benefits you can apply the progressive concept of Turbo Genius and make a great strategy.

    I will repeat it as many times as necessary, many thanks to Turbo Genius and Mr. Junior for their contributions over the years.
     
  10. Denzie

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    Mr Junior o_O:woot::shamefullyembarrased: I nearly spit out my morning coffee from laughing.

    About the progression...people just don't see the obvious. If you know what's coming ON AVERAGE you start to bet. If random isn't going on average ( meaning TG's rubberband stretching to its limits) then you need to ADAPT your progression as spins roll off. So this not means a mechanical progression because if you code it , it will definitely lose . For example:

    We play 3 cycles...using 1-5-25 progression suggested by TG( one of many ) . First cycle we use 1u than 2nd cycle we use 5u and 3th cycle 25u (the same could happen if you play that progression separately on #)

    Now imagine whatever it is your betting it doesn't hit the first 25 spins or so in your first cycle...yup in the hole right ? At the end of that cycle you get some hits but still in the hole...rubberband stretching. Now 2nd cycle starts and we're in the hole and throwing 5u chips at the board and sure enough it happens again...the first half of that cycle we seem to barely get a hit. At the end the hits come but not enough to fill that hole. Go for a 3th cycle with 25u chips and again geeeez the hits come barely and late also...now we're so deep in the hole we might not recover or perhaps our br depleted. Now what ? Take the loss ? 4th cycle with 125u ? But it could happen again doesn't it ?

    TG said as spins roll off we get more and more predictable results ADAPT your progression when needed !!! Know what's coming and if you're 100% it's coming throw chips at it lol....

    Read 38 people walk into the casino and think how every player COMBINED walks out a winner. If played RIGHT you will ALWAYS, yes ALWAYS gain a profit somewhere down the line. Most likely under 2 cycles ( whatever a cycle might be if it's long enough of course. 5 spins isn't a cycle in my plays lol )

    Have a good day. TG really did nearly spelled it out....
     
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    @Denzie what would you consider a cycle? 36 spins?
     
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  12. Denzie

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    Depends what I'm playing but 37 (euro wheel ) spins is most definitely one :)
     
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  13. Naughty but nice

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    Random org. 59 spins.
    Nimo; look at the 1-3-5-7&30.
    40 spins only 10 repeats. 30; 1x.
    Now where are the top3 matches Turbo.
    The #17 was the winner. Hit R4 and next spin went R5. Around 6 spins #17 hit again.
    Job done. Not just betting the leader.
    Random org more often than not, favours non-hit. But most games end close to the 30/30.
    By the way 9,R1 took 37 spins.
    How many more spins to have 9, R2?
     
  14. Denzie

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    I think people need to read and figure out why #34 would make a lot of money. It appeared on the list at spin 284 !!! If we start playing it at that moment we would get only 8 hits on it in 217 spins which isn't that hot. So why did he mentioned #34 around spin 100...
     

  15. Denzie

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    So lets find out why he said that . Probably to be trolling at Ka2 or for the math club and fallacy guys . Joking o_O (Don't forget the almighty General and Steve and his "team" from rf who supposedly know everything about this game . To many pockets and the pay out is short ) .

    Here's a session done just now at RS till all 20x spots were filled in . I stopped on a # when it reached 20x and continued with the rest . (Although that's not the point because I would made a ton of cash on #16 if I kept going lol)

    I used a pretty aggressive progression( another fallacy) and reset when I made a new br which is 1000u ( 1u = 1€/$) and start again with the proggy. I didn't need to do that but I don't want to scare people of with those huuuuuuge drops/gaps on the graph. Lol.

    In addition my sheet when I play at home/online . So as I said b4. I play/grins weekly. 1 session a week and I'm done baking the cake. I do bake a few cupcakes when I feel like doing that.
     

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  16. Gigi666

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    I always thought its either a mistake he mentions 34 from spin 100 or that tracking more columns he saw it coming clearly from right to left.

    Would love to see that RS session of yours
    By the way why do you track by hand at home?
     
  17. Denzie

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    Tg rarely makes mistakes. So yes that #34 had to come from somewhere where it was visible.
    I'm not really at home for the moment but on a holiday in Thailand. I didn't had much at hands except my phone and time to kill . But pen and paper will do .

    You happen to know a tracker that works on a android phone ? ( Samsung) .

    The session below is played with a bigger br because I didn't reset the units at some point. So important to remember: always use units that your br can handle. Throwing 25€ chips with 1000€ br has his limits. And this session below TG style. I did made a mistake and missed the wins from a 20€ chip but that happens in real play too once in a while. (From his video) . I did gained a new br. 3k in this case.

    Basically those are 2 points I try to get across...
    Units/ progression vs br
    And #34 where it came from all of a sudden
     

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  18. Gigi666

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    Had same issue when on holidays as no good tracker apps or websites.
     
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  19. Nimo

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    I find it better to track everything by hand and make notes as I'm going. Notes help a lot to see what is happening/happened in real time. I have binders full of paper with every game played, every stategy used, what works well live dealer, what works well auto ball etc, etc. Treat it like a proper job and it benefits you.
     
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  20. Denzie

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    Couldn't agree more on the notes . The more notes we have , the more knowledge. I use pen and paper in B&M also. Most people think it's strange I'm doing that because i can see it on their reactions. But when I leave with profit the look on their faces change. Even the pitboss came to take a look at my paper to see what I'm doing. Funny but they can't figure it out though.

    What is the difference between live dealer and airball in your opinion? ( I'm mostly playing the live dealer with the digital kiosks)

    Greetings from a ex-trucker. Seems we truckers are good in navigating through the races . Lol . But the driving days are over as my roulette income makes a lot more .
     

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