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Roulette Any professional roulette players here?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Mantronix, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. mansi19896

    mansi19896 Member

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    tremendously grateful what you share, you may save people lives like that financially. So far with testing over 200 games the numbers stats are similar what you posted in here . It goes very evenly, but til 10 units per day seems to be great height to thrive for.

    Good luck to everyone who follows .
     
  2. daveylibra

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    Thanks for sharing your system, but may I ask 2 questions?

    1. You play every 5th game. How does this help? You play the 5th regardless of how the 4 virtuals ended?
    Have you calculated what would happen if you played every game? I cannot see why the outcome would be different.

    2. You play a 1-2 progression and double after 2 losses. so L, L, then 2-4? this would not put you in profit ( a win on the 2 would still be a total loss) so what then, reset?

    Hope you have time to answer. Best of luck!
     
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  3. Fivealive

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    Hi good questions. So okay. If I had played all 200,000 plus games ive now played over the years. I would be 3,048 units UP. Just going 1/2 all the way through.

    THE PROBLEM. You have to be prepared to OFTEN play 100 games to get only 4 units profit. Or lose up to 40 units (my worst ever result (a split of 65/35). Also playing straight ive seen losing streaks of 6 games in a row.

    But yes you can actually GRIND OUT a profit just flat betting the 1/2 prog on every game.

    The reason I favour FIVE. Is the set to set forward movement is swifter. Therefore personally keeps me feeling im making meaningful progresss. Which is important to me.

    Regarding the money management. I DO NOT atempt to make a profit every single 10 game set. This is something I didnt make clear yet. Through experience. I know that a poor 10 game set of 5/5 or on rare occasion 4/6. Is ALWAYS followed by a better second half of 6/4 or better. THATS where I do the real recovery and move into profit or at worst salvage the damage

    When you know whats highly likely to happen. You dont panic see. You bide your time. You know profit is coming. So long as you stick to the course.

    I dont even consider what I do gambling anymore. Its more like investing in very stable stock. The results have been so consistent over the years. That 20 game set has never let me down as a whole. And the worst result ive ever had from a 20 game set is minus 12 units. And it took a 10 game set of 4/6 to do that. I recovered most of the 30 plus units lost in the second half which was 9/1.

    And then after that I had three stellar sets of 18/2--17/3--17/3. Thats why you NEVER EVER panic when you know what to expect.

    Whereas a friend of mine who played straight off the layout betting after 3 of an even chance. Got totally DESTROYED one night. For months he had won thousands. Never running into more than 10 in a row of an even chance. Then one night a few years ago. He is left a broken man. After seeing 17 reds. He lost over 5 grand in one night.

    He never played that system again.
     
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  4. Fivealive

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    Thankyou, yes the biggest enemy in the casino is YOU. Ive been playing roulette for 36 years. And until I forged FIVE I lost thousands. Playing all the flawed systems like the MARTINGALE.

    Straight off the layout. Its what they want you to do. They know that freak losing streak to wipe you out or hit the house limit is always on the way.

    With a functional grinder like FIVE. You have no chance of being wiped out. You move along steadily building your fighting funds. And eventually its the value of your bets that make it all worthwhile.

    If I say to you I make 15 to 20 units profit a week like clockwork. The average Joe will say big deal. But if those units are worth 25 quid or more. Thats a living for alot of people. Thats how you have to look at it.
     
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  5. mansi19896

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    Its true. You have very simple and clear method how to play successfully. How did you create this kind of strategy. How long did it take.
    You have lot of experience with 36 years. Im wondering is experience really only way do create something fantastic in life and wait so long. :D
     
  6. Fivealive

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    Hi,

    I kept hearing the usual remarks about roulette. NOBODY BEATS THE HOUSE. Every so called expert says no mechanical system can beat the game. Even Einstein said the only way to win at roulette was to steal money when the croupier wasnt looking. I never really believed that. They say you could only beat this game by either finding a biased wheel. Or using some kind of cheating computer.

    Well I didnt believe that either. Beating the layout is near impossible longterm. But thats what I began to think about 10 years ago.

    I had lost over 7 grand playing ON THE LAYOUT since 1983. I thought what would happen if you took the game OFF THE LAYOUT. Interrupted the flow of random and variance. Instead of allowing them to decide your fate. In conjunction with the house edge.

    I had been playing around with some staggered bets. I thought could any strategy survive in a 100 game set. After all we measure percentage by the 100. Could a roulette strategy live and breath in that 100 measuring box.

    And thats how FIVE came about. I liked playing around with matrixes. And five was staring me in the face for over a year. Before I said isnt that interesting.

    Even if there was say 26 losses out of 100. Sometimes only two or three of those losses landed on that neat 5 game gap. I kept seeing this over and over.

    Set after set. 17/3--15/5--14/6--18/2--13/7.

    And thats when I realized roulette really could be beaten with a mechanical realistically playable system. Its just the approach had always been wrong.

    Everybody had been trying to beat the LAYOUT. Go straight in. Thats why casinos laughed at people who said they had a system. They know the vast majority are living on borrowed time. AND MONEY.

    Like my friend and his martingale betting against any even chance that produced 3 in a row. He got away with it for 4 months. Made over 6 grand. Playing for £10 a game.

    Then that June night in 2017. He told me he felt physically sick after he had blown over 5 grand. And that was only up to the 12th red in a row. He would watch the croupier land another 5 more. Until black came on the 18th spin. 4 months of work wiped out in one night.

    Lesson learnt for him. Now he plays FIVE. And has made all his loss back and then some.
     
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  7. Sharptracker

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    I like it. Players either choose to introduce money when they had a rush or they choose to use time, like here 8 years... generally it is the case with people that didn't count all they spent and what they earned and they prefer to not know actually (36 years playing -8 years)... and it doesn't mean anything at all, i could say i play only once a year 1 spin and after 20 years i'm still ahead! Whew!

    You play online, do you have a background historic on 8 years?
     

  8. Fivealive

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    I wont labour with any doubters. The strategy is here for ALL to test and see for themselves. You put some effort in. And you will see. Thats exactly why I could reveal a truly winning strategy on a public forum. Not even 1 in 100 will take it seriously.

    I was told this already. The mind makes or breaks every individual. And that is never more clearly seen than on forums like these.

    But the very few that do take the time have abright future ahead with the game. It is what it is...
     
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    • Violation of Rule #2: No Disruptive Behavior
    You can test it until you're blue in the face. It'll fail EVERY TIME! If you had some sort of real system that works, you sure as hell would not be here trying to convince others. Get your rear end in a casino and stay there until you're richer than Jeff Bezos.
     
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  10. mansi19896

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    if you calculate value of world richest man considering how many peoples are involved with it and considering with roulette your only alone against mighty table, the world richest people earn up to 10-30 units per month.
     
  11. Fivealive

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    Dont worry about negative people. They want to stay losers for life. Ive said my piece a few will benefit. The rest will continue to stay in the dark. And believe what they want to believe. You can never help anyone who has a closed mind. They wont hear you ever.

    If you see value in what ive revealed go for it. Prove it to yourself on paper first. I paper tested FIVE for a year before I spent a cent on it. It stood up. It thrived. Then I went live.

    Its out here now for any who really want to win consistently and not just wish and drram about it.
     
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    Took a break from testing the main method I've been working on the past couple months that's positive through 13,500 spins to run this through some downloaded spins from Spielbank Duisburg, single table, European wheel. Numbers as they arrived that particular day in consecutive order.

    I played continuously, no four virtual plays before betting. Also played flat at 1u-2u, no increase in base units bet after a bad group of 10 results as Fivealive mentions. Ignored the zero when tracking, so a B0B result = BB. Obviously counted the zero for losses. Spin set numbers are attached, feel free to run them yourself to see if you get the same results.

    THOUGHTS:

    Two sets of 6/4 out of the gate brought it to -15u by spin 169. Then followed by a 9/1 set, and finished with another 5/0 run when spins ran out that day.

    Overall: 299 spins, 26 attempts won, 9 attempts lost, -3u balance.

    It would have needed whatever increase in stakes or money management Fivealive uses to turn a positive result, I wouldn't recommend attempting this 1-2 flat even after just this extremely small sample set due to the time consumption it would take to show a result (and you'd need a large base unit bet, which may turn some off).

    Also, likely difficult to attempt on an American 00 wheel, would be tough to stay positive even with increasing the stakes after a bad set of 10 as the greens would be too prevalent. Better to play it on Baccarat if you're limited in that way.

    Conclusion: It's interesting, what sets it apart from John Legend's Pattern Breaker nonsense is grouping the results into blocks of 20 (2 sets of 10).

    It seems that Fivealive's analysis of his own data is correct that you're not ever going to see a 20 block go negative. If he's not full of shit and he's legitimately tracked 23,000+ attempts, you can see the consistency in it. Obviously you should generate your own results before ever putting real money at risk, as Fivealive mentioned, do it "on paper" first...then see if the numbers align with the larger metrics Fivealive detailed here.

    Fivealive: If you can provide information on how you handle the money management and when you increase/lower bets I'm happy to test more and provide results as time permits. Thanks for sharing it, always nice to fool around with something I haven't tested prior.
     

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  13. Fivealive

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    Hi good evening,

    Thanks for your tests. Although I must stress those 4 none played games are a CRUCIAL factor in FIVES success.

    Okay MONEY MANAGMENT. Its hard to explain as I do not play an increase directly after a loss. Its not often I have a losing streak greater than 3 games. Im feeling my way through the set. And then I make a decision to raise more like a poker player.

    And that is because its RARE to get less than 5 wins out of 10. That is the reason the strategy got its name. Games spaced 5 apart. And 5 being a number of minumum wins rarely breached in a 10 game set.

    So let me give you some working examples. Of results I obtained recently.

    ●--PLUS 1
    ●--PLUS 2
    ○--MINUS 1
    ○--MINUS 4
    ●--MINUS 2----DOUBLED STAKES
    ●--MINUS 1
    ○--MINUS 4
    ●--MINUS 3--5TH WIN SET OVER
    ○--VOID
    ○--VOID--FIRST HALF COMPLETE MINUS 3 UNITS

    Now whenever theres a 10 game set with a split of 5/5 or worse. I play the next 10 games at a higher level. So in the second half my base bet will be 2 units. And I will lock on any profit of 3 units or greater.

    ●--MINUS 1
    ●--PLUS 1
    ●--PLUS 3--SET LOCKED

    ○--




    ●--(SPLIT=13/7)

    This is a very typical result. I am aiming for at least 3 units profit from a 20 game set. And as i play five sets of 20 per week. I aim for 15 to 20 units profit a week. And rarely fail to achieve this.

    So basically I double stakes after a double loss. Lock a set in the second half at 3 units. And that would be considered an average set.

    On a good set. I will secure 2 to 5 units in the first 10 games. The dream result it 5 straight wins on each half for 10 units profit.

    But this has never happened. But with FIVE it is capable of winning 15 plus games in a row. Usually bleeding over from the previous set into a new set.

    When this happens you will get 5 straight winners in your first 10 games. And if that happens I will often simply record the second half but not play it. Because 5 units profit from a single set is an excellent result.

    And I never GET TOO GREEDY. Read that over and over people. Because GREED is one of the biggest reasons most people LOSE. They do not have the DISCIPLINE to reign it in. To Lock and box their profit and STOP.

    So to summarise there is no set in stone staking plan. Theres a set of considerations I make depending on my success or failure in play.

    This is VERY VERY important. You must think on the fly and make decisions. Like when to raise and when to lock. You dont just play like a robot. The name of the game is PROFIT. But never get too greedy.

    Even knowing what I know. And having seen at least 5 wins out of 10 over 200 times in a row. I still play with a level of caution.
     
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  14. mansi19896

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    i like that expression You must think on the fly . Quite smart mindset, which i tend to agree all of your points you brought out...:Ks:

    but how long you recommend playing 2 units as base bet in your second half of example if there would been loss in there too.
     

  15. Fivealive

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    Morning Manzi,

    Thats the amazing thing about FIVE. Ive never had a second half less than 6/4 if the first half is 5/5 or worse. Thats when I have more confidence to throw down.

    Its the same if the first half was OUTSTANDING. And say you had this for your first half which I did a few days ago.

    ○--MINUS 3
    ●--MINUS 2
    ●--MINUS 1
    ●--LEVEL
    ●--PLUS 1
    ●--PLUS 2--5 WINS STOP BETTING





    Now when the first half is that good. The second half is highly likely to have at least 3 losses. So thats why I have the lock at 3 units rule. I win that first bet of the second half most of the time and LOCK. As it turned out. This set was outstanding and produced the following in the second half.

    ●--PLUS 3--SET LOCKED



    ●--




    ●--(SPLIT=18/2)

    But there could have been two or three losses in the first few games. My only concern is getting my 3--5 units profit per set.

    And its not being GREEDY that has served me so well. Ive seen sets where had I played the entire set I would end up MINUS 5 or more units in the second half. After being PLUS 5 units up in the first half.

    Again you are always fighting the weakest link in the chain. GREED. Few greedy players are successful for long. You would not believe the things ive seen in my 36 years playing this game.

    Ive seen people parlay £5 up to over 5 GRAND. And instead of realizing theyve done really well and taking it to the cage. They stay there until they lose it all. Then cry the wheel must be rigged.

    No idiot YOU GOT TOO GREEDY. And the roulette gods punished you. Any profit with this game is good profit. Add it to your fighting funds and get out of there.
     
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    Ok, i guess the roulette will remember that you played today. Even if you come back 6 hours later, it will remember you... If you change casino, that roulette will warn the new roulette you're playing... No, actually the only point is less you're playing, longer you can believe you're a winner... that's the only point.
     
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  17. Fivealive

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    True but what is long? I am several thousand units ahead in a strategy that can never lose more than 20 on its worst day. Common sense should tell you. You are always going to be ahead. Once you have those numbers against that kind of risk.

    The people who are at risk are those who play what I call suicidal roulette. Without any discipline. They play the MARTINGALE trying to profit on every single game. And of course eventually the mother of all losing streaks takes them. Or does serious damage.

    Or they are plain greedy like ive seen a thousand times. They get ahead. More than they should have on pure luck. And then give it all back and often more.

    Theres a difference between lucky winners. And someone who has a strategy that beats the game alot more than it loses. The problem in this age of jaded pessimists.

    Is you think youve seen it all. Intelligent people walk with the mindset. If the game were beatable then THEY would be able to beat it.

    But THEY didnt put the work in. THEY didnt make sure the strategy lived on paper for several thousand games before real money was on the line.

    THEY didnt have the necessary discipline, money management and plain common sense to stick to the course and build their fighting funds slowly. Until they were so strong in relation to their percentage win targets. A wipe out was no longer a possibility.

    But THEY will be the first to attack someone who brings a serious anwser to the age old question. Can the game be beaten longterm by a mechanical system?

    And the anwser is an emphatic YES. But few will ever know. Because they want the GOLD without doing any digging. Nothing changes...
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    Shaeptracker ,



    Would never consider wasting my time of recreation with that ballet .



    ND
     
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    My words to you are not negative but realist... if you try to simulate your strategy played by 1000 players on 1000 tables (so 1000 different variable) and represent the results on a graph, you would see a Gauss curve. Some will be late, some will be average and some will be ahead as your position is for now on that Gauss curve. And this is what will happen for any (negative edge) strategy you're thinking about, absolutely all strategy could look like a holygrail at a time. So the question is, how do you know where you'll be on that Gauss curve?

    Of course, you'll think that it is for special skills that you got or something else, but you only focus on your case and ignore all other's results on the curve. To me, there's nothing to work about except maybe chose a strategy to gamble for fun occasionaly but surely not for a living... it's like you would tell me that i could fly one day if i work a lot to move my arms faster.
     
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    @Nathan Detroit

    Yes time is very precious but anyway, as you would say, that cat will probably being invited by Turbo's crew on the hidden forum...
     
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