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Roulette Ask Me Anything About Betting the EC's (Even Chances)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by SPIKE, Dec 9, 2021.

  1. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    It varies because I do not bet the same amount every time and every session. It changes daily it changes session to session so I don't leave a pattern behind me.
     
  2. SPIKE

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    Online casino RNG roulette is the worst. Sometimes for fun I'll go and bet the minimum amount using my method and use a progression and I start winning handily, not much money but a lot of units. This never lasts very long because the computer see's what I'm doing and gives me losing outcomes every time. My winning streak turns into a huge losing streak and it makes me literally laugh out loud because it's so obvious. This has happened so many times that I can't count it so it's not an accident. It takes a while for the computer to catch on and it stops me in my tracks. The minimum bet is $0.10 on my state-run RNG roulette games. If you could access one of these you could practice your Marty and you would see that very soon you would be losing your ass because it would be playing against you. And especially because you're using a Martingale which it really doesn't like.
     
  3. TwoUp

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    You don't know how many sessions or bets you make. You already said you had no idea.
     
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    It's because the Kelly formula would say to bet a negative percentage of your bankroll. It is specifically intended for maximum return whilst avoiding ruin, and fundamental to that is having a positive edge.

    There is no way to get a positive edge on a negative expectation game through bet selection or betting methods.

    There is through defects in the gaming apparatus, biased wheels that sort of thing, or becoming a skilled blackjack player. Not an exhaustive list, but some bonuses and side bets on various casino games are also exploitable.
     
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  5. David Gregory

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    If these rng's can manipulate your bets to lose, that's illegal. They are checked by the Gamiing Commission on a regular basis. If they discover they are manipulating the results of outcomes, they will be shut them down in a New York minute. Legitimate Gambling sites do not have to cheat, they always win in the long run because of house edge. The fact that your winning streak turned into a losing is very normal curcumstances and not controled by them but your strategy naturaly turned against you as expected..
     
  6. thereddiamanthe

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    @David Gregory, ever heard of self-deleting programs .. once running its course delete its own data & everything associated with it.

    What's even simpler to do .. for such occasions = commission's .. its to install a special login password; once run accessing the data for inspection, the above is executed automatically, including the deletion of supported tiny app executing such special password execution.

    Come on, man .. there are such easy ways to prevent even lining the pockets unnecessarily, which comes next .. & how much do you think government-appointed jockey do make a month .. & how much are the bills for a bit more upstyle living.
     
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  7. David Gregory

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    Well if that's the case it would only be wise to play in B&M casinos or online live games. Maybe the best wisdom of all was stated in the movie 'War Games'. The only way to win is not to play. That would apply to most but not to all.
     

  8. SPIKE

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    No it's not. Games like RNG roulette are not the same as live roulette, they are run by the same rules that regulate slot machines. A slot machine manipulates the outcomes so that it always takes in a certain amount of money as profit. So does an RNG roulette game and I'm assuming an RNG baccarat game. The algorithm on the roulette game see's I am winning too much so it makes adjustments in line with how much profit it has to make. The air ball wheels in casinos do this, the algorithm has the ball land in sections of the wheel that have the least number of bets when it needs to adjust how much money its making. This is not me guessing, a casino employee explained this to me over 10 years ago. He knew I played regular roulette and he couldn't believe I was playing air ball, didn't I know better? Then he explained it to me. Completely legal because it's listed with the state as a slot machine. The regular roulette players caught on to it eventually because they couldn't win on it. They were used to winning and losing and winning and losing and all they were doing on air ball roulette was mostly losing.

    And my strategy never turns against me, never ever ever. It's impossible because I manipulate it and it does not manipulate me. If it's not playing my game I don't bet. Duh.
    Can't lose if you're not betting.
     
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  9. SPIKE

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    Not to play when it's not playing your game. Why take an umbrella to work if it's not going to rain. Why make bets when you know you're likely to lose.
     
  10. TwoUp

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    It showed just how foreign and limited you are in your thinking.

    People here are all about experience, not things, that's why so many Aussies travel.

    No one gives a toss about what you have and you dare not show off or come across as thinking you're better as you will get quickly cut down. That's just how it is and reflects our social welfare and tax system values. If you don't have a job you get an income regardless, don't have a house you get a house, get sick, it's free healthcare for everyone who needs it, our public system is excellent, that's where the best doctors are. We take care of the weakest in our society. Is it perfect? No but better than anywhere else.

    We are egalitarian to the core, everyone gets a fair go, we all work hard and we get paid well. The minimum wage here is $22/hr including 4 weeks annual leave entitlements and 2 weeks paid personal personal leave plus paid public holidays (another 10 days). Everyone on a wage gets allowances and loadings 1.5 to 3x for weekend or after hours work. So wait staff in a casino are getting paid $65 an hour to work on a Sunday plus half a day annual leave for the trouble.

    No one works for tips. People get a proper wage.

    How does your country treat people? $7.25/hr for wait staff and beg for tips with the server beneath those who are served. The elitism and unfair treatment is built into your society.

    So you waltz around a casino and think you're better than the dealers and wait staff on minimum wage working for tips do ya? That's elitism.

    Workers being exploited by the business and needing to supplement their income through tips is allowed because you won't play fair, won't give anyone a fair go and you all consent to it.

    Yes we do have very wealthy people here but the wealth is very well distributed across our society, more so than anywhere. Australians have the highest wealth in the world, and high tax, that's just how it is, when you don't fuck each other over. With 1 in 10 of us being millionares, who fucking cares what you have or don't, we all pay tax to support those who can't or won't work. That's right, you don't have to work but it's better for you if you do. Quality of life and economic prosperity is the best in the world which allows us to enjoy life more than most.

    https://www.ceda.com.au/NewsAndReso...affairs/Australia-tops-global-wealth-rankings

    As you can see wealth is held by the vast majority here with median weath per adult the highest globally. USA median weath is not even top ten which means your wealth is skewed to an elite class.

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    That elite shit that you all participate in there just isn't reflected in our societal values. That chart above says half of all Australians have more wealth than anyone anywhere on the planet because the wealth is shared and distributed not all concentrated in the hands of elite with poor peanut shellers at the bottom.

    But that chart is a bit out of date as the median household wealth is now over $580k and average household net worth over $1 million.

    When everyone is doing ok we don't see any need to rub anyones face in it, but I'll gladly rub your face it Mr Spike, poor man of the western world.
     
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    to win.
     
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    You do whatever you want .. B&M or rng .. my point is, you cannot count on gambling commission to keep the results true.

    This is not some government written novel, this is real life.
    Its not just rng, its, all what's around it ..Where you play matters.

    & ofc is possible to win, not just win, win consistently.
     
  13. SPIKE

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    But I am better in every possible way. On top of that I beat roulette and you do not.
     
  14. mansi19896

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    what site rng you played on exactly
     

  15. mansi19896

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    so you are really winning with it. is this what your saying
     
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    your saying if im long term unemploy more then years you still get paid? im reading it only last one year
    i travel in australia dont work there and still get paid til i die there. Just like that?
     
  17. Benas

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    But, that is only your words. The same you can say that you are 230cm tall...

    During some time I met several people from forums...And when we met no one proved what he claimed on the internet...

    I know few people who stable wins, I saw them in action. And every winner still looks for something that to increase his winnings, do them easier... and what is main - every winner at least know why he has advantage against the casino and can describe it in few words.
    They do not start talking about woo doo...
     
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  18. Median Joe

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    What nonsense. Why should the game you play against the outcomes be one that the outcomes conform to? And if it worked it would mean that outcomes aren't independent and equally likely, which they are.

    No, the data isn't analysed. And even if it were, so what? Like I said, if the casino wants to cheat you all they have to do is generate an outcome other than what you're betting. Whatever pattern of bets you're making is irrelevant. If they analysed your bets there's no guarantee that you will continue to bet that way, so if they changed the outcomes to a different pattern they would be gambling, and casinos aren't gamblers.

    I'm not saying that there are no casinos that cheat, but they are in the minority. If all of them did it nobody would play online at all which would be self-defeating. Besides, the future is blockchain and provably fair casinos.
     
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    I doubt whether anyone uses a "pure" Kelly. It seems to be more theoretical than practical, but betting a percentage of your bank is simple, safe, and effective. It's what I use for sports betting.
     
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  20. mansi19896

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    and how long progression used exactly
     

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