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Roulette Ask The Croupier

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 6probability9, May 10, 2022.

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  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    My opinion is that thw Banker bet is a bamboozle as the Ka Partage .


    Same logic .
     
  2. 6probability9

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    I expect La Partage to go way over Nathan's head but clearly neither of you get it if you're comparing La Partage to the banker commission in baccarat.
    You bet on the even chance station you want to win. The payout is 1:1 regardless if you choose red, black, high, low, odd, even.
    Honestly reading through comments after the fact I posted the math , many of you are still confused about la partage. Why is this so difficult to understand when all variants of roulette the player losses their whole wager on even chances when zero is spun. Unless you are playing on a La Partage table when zero is spun you keep 1/2 your bet on i.e. red, black, high etc.
     
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  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Enjoy the baloney festival. Win a sausage .
     
  4. 6probability9

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    Why? Every EU bet position has an EV of -2.7%. However the highest probability of winning with the lowest probability of losing are equal 1:1 even chance bets; 18/37 or 18/37 = 48.65% or 48.65%. the function of LP is to minimize the negative EV by playing even chances as close to 50:50.
    La Partage divides zero's -2.7% edge in half so that the player losses -1.35% on average. When zero is spun. the player keeps 1/2 and the house wins 1/2 the wager.

    This means when playing EC the house wins 1.35% + 48.65% = 50%

    Compare this to EU roulette without LP
    when playing EC the house wins 2.7% + 48.65% = 51.35%

    Compare this to american roulette
    when playing EC the house wins 5.26% + 47.37% = 52.63%
     
  5. 6probability9

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    You're a typical loser that doesnt understand math or money management if you honestly believe that advantage play; keeping 1/2 your losing bet, is baloney. Gtfo
     
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  6. thereddiamanthe

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    That was the first point -- now building on that;
    link to 'partner' 2u+1u on both complementing EC counterparts ..
    & show the math.
     
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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    By now you should realise you are dealing with someone with a mental health problem, you are wasting your time. I used to address people similar to him , this forum, but in the end I felt like I was just bullying someone without their full mental facilities , they are stuck on the broken record syndrome and will only repeat posts in their EXTREMELY one track frontal lobe damaged nonsensical way.
    The op is a young version of an older poster here. Not worth the reply.
    You are not doing yourself any favours replying to him , I casually view this thread as it’s really not worth the effort. Cheers
     

  8. SPIKE

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    You act like the zero is a HUGE part of the game and it's not. The vast majority of sessions I play I never even see a zero. You act like it shows up every 3 spins. On a single 0 wheel I can go days without 0 showing up when I'm betting. So I would get half my money back, big deal, who cares. And it's not available in the United States anyway so it's a moot point.
     
  9. thereddiamanthe

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    @Punkcity .. just a benefit of a doubt .. & a chance to present his ideas, potential gems (if any) .. unwavered.
     
  10. 6probability9

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    Specify what you are referring to because the post you quoted is SPIKE's example of roulette.
    In the game above, it is possible for a player to still lose to the house because the odds are 50:50. Although with multiple players betting equal amounts on even chances, the casino stands to make no profit from the outcome. If players continued to bet 1:1 on even chances, then the game is PvP. The casino would just be the server.

    Zero represents 1/37, which is the house edge, and that edge is how roulette makes its turnover. This is supported by the -2.7% expected value in roulette. A 0, 0.135, 2.7, 5.26 edge makes all the difference between a fair or biassed game. Hypothetically, if roulette is fair, then zero should not exist. The wheel would have 36 pockets. The payouts as they stand would be the true odds of any outcome if zero wasn't in the game; EC = 1×(18÷37)-1×(18÷37) = 0.

    The mathematical parameters of roulette are factual. The payout ratio to probability determines the bias in roulette. Because of zero, the probability of any winning number is 1/37. The longer anybody plays, the closer they will approach the expected value of their bet selection.
    This is the expected value of EC + La Partage:
    1×(18÷37)-1×(18÷37)-0.5×(1÷37)= -0.135
     
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  12. thereddiamanthe

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    Again you expanded on LP .. now show how, in your view, partner betting 2u & you 1u (so 3u combined/spin) at each spin .. constitutes a winning play (defaulted to LP already included).

     
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    Now show the math of consistent profits using those 3u/spin;
    is that flat, positive, negative progression?
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

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    Besides what you still fail to comprehend is ..

    that payouts, although all show -2.7 (leave LP aside for now), are 'gears' --
    similar to an engine clutch gears ..
    (acceleration, top speed per gear & overall, fuel consumption per each =cost-effectiveness)

    .. that can be used in your favor when properly combined, & !! timely switched.
     
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    You drive a car, or a bike, don't you?
    Imagine driving a one-gear bike ..
     
  16. 6probability9

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    That is an example. I used it for SPIKE's version of roulette. It has nothing to do with La Partage. If myself and a partner worked together, our expected value stood to not lose/profit in the long-term. Working together, we have a 50–50% probability of +1 or -1. The long-term of that bet selection; 2u:1u would expect 0, profit or loss in SPIKE's game.
     
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    First of all, that ain't bet selection -- where do you place positions on (eg. Red vs Black).
    Second of all, that then applies to NoZero roulette, which is actually offered on one online site,
    but you need to forfeit 10% or so of the winnings -- so playing there you have a winning strategy.

    Third of all, then you have construed no additional advantage whatsoever, except what the casino
    offers you on default
    , once you decide to play at the LP table; which in itself is still/remains
    +a losing proposition.

    So, I don't know what's all fuss about, & why are you making it in the first place -- "why are you offering?.
     
  18. Punkcity

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    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    You are wasting your time, there are so many better things to waste your time on than write to a fool dealer. Cheers
     
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    1. Now you're just playing semantics. Even chances is a bet selection 1:1; you are betting on either red, black, high, low, odd or even a single outcome of an event that yields the full amount when the selection wins.
    La Partage is an automatic rule that applies only to the even-chance bet selections, when zero is spun, LP returns 1/2 the wager on ECs. That does not happen in any other variant of roulette.

    2. THIS IS HILARIOUS!
    you'd opt to play Nozero roulette, but you need to forfeit 10%. That would have a worse negative EV than live roulette. Yet I'm receiving all this resistance to divide/halve the EU's expected value from -2.7 to -1.35. You actually don't understand the math behind roulette.

    3. Most U.S casinos do not offer La Partage by default. In fact, members have been very vocal about whether they care for a gimmick that their casino doesn't offer. Instead, many casinos
    offer worse variants of roulette, i.e., double zero. so that the average Joe has no idea what La Partage is. The fuss is that nobody here can refute any of the probabilities that even chances + La Partage offers. Roulette is a negative expectancy game. All bets have a negative EV so when you say La Partage is a losing proposition, you are arguing for not dividing the negative EV, halving the amount you are losing overall in roulette. A bunch of you are brushing off the math as if it has no significance to the payouts. EC + LP is the undisputed optimal bet in roulette. Betting on anything other than EC + LP has double the negative expected value or worse.
     
  20. 6probability9

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    Try to refute anything I post about Roulette, Punk.
     

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