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Roulette Ask The Croupier

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by 6probability9, May 10, 2022.

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  1. TwoUp

    TwoUp Well-Known Member

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    It is a nice side hustle using the sign up bonuses.

    Matched betting is a risk free way to extract about 95% of the bonus value. It's been a good hustle here in Australia. Done right you can net at least $40k. But that said we have had online sports betting for a long time (but not online casino gambling). Aussies bet $20 billion in annual turnover just on racing and sports vs just $4 billion in the USA. Population 25 million vs 330 million gives you an idea how popular having a punt is here.

    Those bonuses are a nice side hustle while it lasts, but the bookies will eventually either close your account or limit you wager size.

    Betfair are horrible, they used to be good but their greedy premium charge for those who win consistently killed it as a fair betting exchange. Their name is the epitome of irony.

    Betfair have the most obscene house edge, they take up to 40% of your win whilst you wear all the loss. It's actually even higher than 40% they way they manipulate the calculations.
     
  2. 6probability9

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    FML I could only crop a sentence from your broken english.

    Every spin is independent. The house edge is reduced to 1.35% on zero outcomes. La Partage is not expected to lose 2.7% across the rest of ECs probability: 1×(18÷37)-1×(18÷37) =0
    zero = -0.5 × (1÷37) = -0.0135 = ½ HE%.

    "Your formula"

    (0.0135) × (1÷37) + (−0.027) ×(−36÷37)

    is off.

    (0.0135) × (1÷37) + (−0.027) ×(−18÷37)

    Spot the difference.
    tbh your head is a full litter tray.
     
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  3. 6probability9

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    granted, (1÷37) = 0.027027027
    is the valid probability of zero occurrence.
    the actual HE paid is ½ the probability/occurrence of zero.
     
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  4. 6probability9

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    3¹ = 3 permutations
    48.65%+2.7%+48.65%

    3² = 9 permutations
    48.65%+2.7%+48.65%

    3³ = 27 permutations
    48.65%+2.7%+48.65%

    3⁴ = 81 permutations
    48.65%+2.7%+48.65%


    If you can comprehend the permutations of Even Chances multipled by each independent event (spin), now combine that with La Partage.
     
  5. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    & how many Zeroes do you expect playing EC in 37 spins?

    1 !

    My formula is correct.

    You are off, collapsed.
     
  6. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    So, to put in the most simple way possible:

    on 36 spins you would pay he of -2.7& (LP irrelevant, as the opposite EC would appear)
    &
    on 1 spin, being Zero with LP, you would pay he of -1.35%.

    =======

    What's the average of
    36 x (-.2.7) + 1x (-1.35), all divided by 37 obviously;
    the bold figure enacted above.

    =======

    Granted, due to the variance fluctuation, the expectation is only an average ..
    thereof the appearances of Zero would be ± (from zero to about five, in 37 spins).

    As a result, the bold figure does fluctuate a bit, but not much at all,
    always nearing that -2.630% (true for one Zero appearance).
     
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  7. thereddiamanthe

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    & that's the difference between theory & practice, or applied math.
    (perhaps too advanced for you)
     

  8. 6probability9

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    You're incorrect, on 36 spins or pockets you are not paying -2.7 HE for even chances bets. theoretically
    18 x 2.7 - 18 × 2.7 cancel eachother and your left with -0.5 × 2.7.

    the expectation of
    (eighteen × (-.2.7) + 1 × (-1.35)) / 37.

    Come on put down that european calculator (1/37) is the simplest Pr to calculate in roulette.
     
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  9. 6probability9

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    According to the record I was accused of recycling dead french equations.

    So are you now telling the internet that your scrambled egguations are "correct"?
     
  10. thereddiamanthe

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    Telling you, YES .. internet doesn't think.

    "36 spin or pockets" -- that's exactly where the core of the matter is;
    .. & your sorry attempt at disguising it is futile

    Ofc, those are correct .. when you win an EC you pay -2.7% house edge;
    so do you need to recover in a form of a loss, including that 2.7%, if you wanna be in the positive.

    So, there's no canceling each other put, you pay it no matter what,
    as soon as you realize your position on the table ..
    (just like with every breath to get oxygen in,
    will burn your fucking cells -- giving you life & killing you at the same time ..
    that;s why you consume anti-oxidants to relieve yourself of the conseqiences of breathing)
    & to be in positive, either way, surpass it.

    .

    The only time you pay -0.135%, with LP, is when Zero appears;

    & that's expected 1 time, or spin, in 37.

    The average = summed parts, divided by all the parts the whole,

    Cancel each other out, my ass.
    Cancel your each-other butt cheeks.





    According to the record, you are paraphrasing, taking things out of the context, adding things onto it for dramatic effect, & imbuing in with your emotional bullshit -- just all the signs of a troll ., having no balls to face the truth of reality.
     
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  11. 6probability9

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    Why am I expecting a clown to think critically.
    Instead you're doubling down on stupidity.
    I'm calm over here, you're convinced that EC + LP means the zero pocket 1/37 has a 1.35% house edge and the remaining 36 pockets have a 2.7% house edge on the player. Your illogical conclusion is 36 out of 37 spins/ pockets, I'll be paying the 2.7% he on all my bets win or lose.

    Dumbass.
    FM when you win or lose an EC the odds is 1:1. I really cba to explain to you again zero (-0.5×(1/37)) is the house edge on even chances with LP.

    you're either damaged or was born very prematurely.
    Even Chances!? is expected to lose -18 +win 18 = 0

    Now we just wait for the lights to be turned on.
     
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  12. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    6probability9,

    Again, how much do individual dealers
    make in roulette game tips on an average night in your casino?
     
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  13. thereddiamanthe

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    NO, forget about the pockets!
    (widen your attention span)

    ==============
    Think only spins:
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    In one spin;
    • your EC position hit → -2.7% paid
    • opposite EC came out → -2.7% paid, included in, or as a, total position loss
    • Zero came out → -1.35

    In 37 spins:
    expectancy for Zero is 1/37,
    thereof you are expected to pay LP reduced house edge of -.1.35% ONLY ONCE;

    the rest 36 are -2.7%.

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    Average is summed parts divided by total parts
    (36 x -2.7) + (1 x -1.35) / 37 = -97.2 - 1.35 = -98.55 / 37 = -2.6635..1351351351
    (-2.7 x 36 - 1.35)/37 = -2.66351etc.

    ========

    Or if you are really lucky,
    say Zero came out 5x times ..

    (-2.7 x 32 - 1.35 x 5)/37= -2.51756..756756756


    ========

    & that's the reality of things ..
    applied math! you seem to know nothing about
     
  14. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    Nearing more & more towards that -2.7 .. the more spins you play.

    Forget your narrow-minded one-spin calculation,
    & improve your knowledge by adapting your mind
    to resonate with reality.

    As you don't have internal capacity/resources,
    to make it the other way around.
     

  15. TwoUp

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    C
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    T dealers don't make much.
     
  16. 6probability9

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    @Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Looks like you realised the size of a house/ casino isn't directly proportional to the tips a croupier receives ontop of their salary.

    I work in the capital.
    I'll leave the unemployed bums to specuhate.
     
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  17. 6probability9

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    @-OneUp

    Your "-8.10" progression bs aged well.

    C

    U

    Next

    Time,

    When you're actually ready to refute Even Chances with La Partage is the optimal bet in roulette with the lowest HE.
     
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  18. 6probability9

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    Mad how you insist on miscalculating.
    "the rest 36 are -2.7%." NA CUH.

    the payout on even chances is 1 to 1.
    18 red, high, even,
    18 black, low, odd

    Let's bet on black.
    In one spin;
    • if black position hits → +2.7% won
    • if red came out → -2.7% lost
    • if zero came out → -1.35% lost

    The 36 out of 37 spins so not including zero, is expected to return 0 not -2.7%

    "& that's the reality of things ..
    applied math! you seem to know nothing about.
    "

    Surreal.
     
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  19. thereddiamanthe

    thereddiamanthe Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that on the win the house edge is not paid?
     
  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    You work in the capital as a dealer? Are you a croupier or not? What is a "specuhate"?

    I don't know what you're trying to say. Do you receive tips?
     
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