1. Welcome to the #1 Gambling Community with the best minds across the entire gambling spectrum. REGISTER NOW!
  2. Have a gambling question?

    Post it here and our gambling experts will answer it!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Discussions in this section are assumed to be EV- as they are outside of the Advantage Play section. For EV+ discussions, please visit the Advantage Play section.
    Dismiss Notice

Baccarat Baccarat - the best small business

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Lungyeh, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2014
    Likes:
    2,089
    Ergo I did it and I shall always do it my way...........
     
  2. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    For me, I am open but unfortunately how many posters are truly revealing what they are doing?
    Why join a forum and stay selfish especially when the subject is gambling.
     
  3. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2014
    Likes:
    2,089
    Craps are you the forum Gestapo telling us what to write in line with your marty obsession .
     
    soxfan and mr j like this.
  4. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2020
    Likes:
    386
    Location:
    Malaysia
    CHASING AFTER LOSSES IS A QUICK TICKET TO THE MORGUE.

    But yours is a different perspective from mine and welcomed for discussion. I am sure members of the forum will adopt what is winnable and do-able for themselves.

    Peace.
     
    Terry Plumb likes this.
  5. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2014
    Likes:
    2,089
    Dr. Watson A Ghetto bankroll I presume ?
     
  6. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    You all can write whatever but what bothers me is since all of you are in Baccarat for some time but couldn't or wouldn't accept that Odds don't change therefore why not add one more approach to your arsenal. I totally accept all approaches. I only point out their characteristics that some are asking too much from a normal person
     
  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2020
    Likes:
    1,291
    Occupation:
    CEO, manager of sublease my account name.inc
    Location:
    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    I have been away busy, but just had to comment on this load of dross. This quote is casino speak people . While I would direct you readers to the biggest lie thread it covers this.
    Do you all think for a moment that something is unachievable ? Something is too hard for “normal people” what rot. There are many examples of people that dedicated themselves to achieving at high levels Rinaldo, Brady, Rogers, Jordan, Bryant, tiger woods, insert any name you like here , plus titans of industry, medical, financial, sociology etc.

    These people decided to Excel above normal but they were normal but choose to be beyond . CASe in point the young skippy girl that was 8 th draft pick basketball picked up by Chicago, she worked at being better over coming her lack of height etc.

    What dross to tell people not to try to succeed typical casino employee rot. Casino employees are just trying to shore up their wages by promoting defeatist propaganda. To be fair the above poster does always state various threads, HE is unable to to have the discipline or dedication to succeed , I commend the honesty. But I cannot sit by and read that EVERYBODY can not succeed because you cannot. That everyone else is a liar because you cannot succeed even with your infallible Marty. That everyone else has to tell you how they achieve something, you the posting arm of the casino.lol. I see why AP don’t discuss openly on forum the casino would close the loophole so to speak. By the way I am on record previous post to disliking AP. Just for context.
    imho your problem is you sit on the wrong side of the table too long each day. Then when you finish work you go to another casino and because you are so fried mentally at all the possibilities you witnessed during your shift your potential ( imho) degenerate gambler side takes over and you lose. Simple as that.
    I know many dealers that have quit dealing to be a player only to bomb out there’s a reason for that. Can you see why?
    To reiterate baccarat is the best small business to start with limited capital many aspects of this thread I agree with and promote, the above quote should be dismissed by all readers as pap, dross , and utter rot .
    Lol
     
    Nathan Detroit and Lungyeh like this.

  8. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    There is a saying people gave you credit and not yourself. You can only disgrace yourself.
    You are talking about the Extraordinary. The Elite. How many people can be what they want to be. Walk around a Casino and all the advice you heard are
    1 Don't go on tilt.
    2 Bet more when going is good.
    3. Bet less or stop betting at all when going is bad.
    4.Don't go against the trend.
    Etc x100.
    Are all these bad advices? Don't everybody knows them already?
    Talk is cheap. When someone is losing, can you ask him to feel as though he is winning? Can you ask him not to double up after a win after falling behind substantially.
    My approach takes care of all this so called Human Factor.
     
  9. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2020
    Likes:
    386
    Location:
    Malaysia
    Stan Lee

    Dont let someone who has given up on their dreams make you give up on yours.
     
    Punkcity likes this.
  10. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    You heard the struggle is between you and yourself in a Casino. It's not so much of the House Edge. It's so true and that's why people do win. What makes Mister X gave back his Million.
    Human Factor . This is the real reason people lose. You can win but as long you come back you lose because you can't get the better of yourself. If there is no way of getting around, this is what every gambler has to deal with. But if you can have an approach with all these obstacles taken care of, it's a pity not to adopt. People do exactly what they say they won't do in a Casino. Many high rollers confessed that with all the money that they have, they just couldn't buy a winning game because they can't get past themselves.
     
  11. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2020
    Likes:
    386
    Location:
    Malaysia
    I repeat:-

    DON’T LET SOMEONE WHO HAS GIVEN UP ON THEIR DREAMS MAKE YOU GIVE UP ON YOURS.
     
    Punkcity likes this.
  12. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Giving up What???
    If I have given up, I wouldn't changed from a gambler who loss everything only to stop trying and be on the other side of the table and finally make a comeback. I am joining this forum to let people know to stop dreaming and do the things that can be done and not rely just on theory but can't be done. By the way, How many Tiger Woods are out there?
     
  13. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2020
    Likes:
    1,291
    Occupation:
    CEO, manager of sublease my account name.inc
    Location:
    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    I’m not talking about the EXTRAORDINARY I’m talking about a bit above average you know the the check out clerk that does the bit extra in their job that makes you the client satisfied, the waitress that goes above and beyond that makes you the customer happy , they are ordinary people really that practice, take pride in achieving something that most take for granted. They decided to more , they decided to extra training, extra self evaluation sure they failed at some time but they continued on little by little. Ronaldinho puts in pre training before training then does extra training after the team training is ended he wants to excel he’s not extraordinary, super gifted I don’t need to train or practice my skills. HE doesn’t MAKE EXCUSES he decided that he will , he can , and HE does. Full stop.
    Sure there are teams worldwide that are sub par in ability but mostly that’s from sub par work ethics, I trained teenagers how to play rugby those that have talent don’t always succeed, as talent is not enough, those that train and train the 1% ers are the ones that go onto bigger and better.

    Yes the casino is full of what you discribe they are the weak willed , dross, gambling degen they DO NOT want to help themselves as you appear to be one of them as per your many posts. And you want others to not succeed because you cannot or rather WILL NOT make an effort, you want other to lay with dogs and get your fleas.
    There are many crappie drivers on the road, there are many crappie politicians running our government that’s the way it is. You can choose to be a better driver etc.

    The double up line of your quote, so what has that got to do with you or anyone else? That’s him /her. So what . The rest of us can choose not to be that way but it took effort initially, stop whinging . Shhhhhisk.

    There are numerous threads that have tried to HELP YOU craps you just blow them off with your defeatism then you have the nerve to criticise posters and threads for offering any help to you or others. Stay with your casino job you are imho Institutionalised, just be another jbs poster.
    I’m sorry you can’t get beyond yourself and see this thread has value, at least don’t continue to ruin it for others that may get valuable information from here and the thread starter

    At least poster jbs posts his interjection then leave rather than harping on and on with dross. His posts carry a bit more weight that way. Imho.
    Readers you may find value in this thread if you choose to do some work, it will not work if you just read and don’t apply yourself. Cheers
     
    Nathan Detroit and Lungyeh like this.
  14. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2020
    Likes:
    1,291
    Occupation:
    CEO, manager of sublease my account name.inc
    Location:
    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    In all local competitions, golf , football, soccer etc there are tiger woods equivalent in that local community. The Proverbial BIG fish in the little pond. You play golf there is someone that scooped the leaderboard years in a row in you club. Cheers
     

  15. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Oh Gosh, Where did you find the notion that I am giving up on my dreams. I found another way and only this time I make it easier bypassing the Human Factor. I did not say LungYeh's approach don't win. I said it's tough to do it well day in and day out. Don't jump on me like that. Where is your discussion spirit?
     
  16. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    To further accentuate my comparison.
    Let's say you want to access your last 20 hands( actually played) with LY approach. He call it a phase. It's so easy to generalized it into the categories that he mentioned but what is the definite rule? For a 20 hand it means there are 1048576 permutations. That is 1 million plus combination of wins and losses. So what is considered Sar Chi ,Good or Neutral? That's why I say it is tough to do things consistently not to mention you have to keep the chimpanzee securely locked in the cage especially with certain permutations of the 20 WL outcome. How about 30 hands later? What now?
    Timing your so call 'move' is not as easy as ABC.
    I am perfectly in the spirit of discussion and this is discussion. How I wished one day I can meet up with LY so that he can see what kind of person I am.
     
  17. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2020
    Likes:
    386
    Location:
    Malaysia
    Hei Craps, you are doing ok. Your points of discussion are valid for a differing viewpoint. Sometimes, its in the semantics and intonations. I am cool nevertheless.

    Subjectivity and emotions, we all agree, are part of the game. So, it makes adoption of the recommendations difficult, or for people like you, impossible. Be that as it may, it does not mean therefore, it is easier to win with negative Martingale.

    I have the following points to make:-

    1) every time, and I do mean every time, when I walk away from a 3 LIAR or 3 out of 4 loss situation, when I come back after @60 minutes or so, I am able to feel refreshed and start anew. My Chimp is under control and I am often able to do a comeback. The few times that I break my own law and push on or bet higher in a Marty, my position is even worse off say 10-15 hands down the line I really think this is the one rule that must never be broken.

    2) I have mentioned that making it in baccarat is very unlikely as the percentage of success is very low. BUT it is in keeping with the low level of success for any businesses. If one fails to make it in baccarat, it is not the end of the world. A fish cannot be judged by how high it can climb a tree.

    This low level of success rate can be improved upon for those who adopt the practices of this thread with modifications to suit their personality.

    3) Whatever it is Craps, let me then rephrase it that it has to be the best business OPPORTUNITY in the world. It allows one to start small; small as in $1,000 even and gives the endless possibilities to accrete and grow it to levels undreamed of.

    4) I read about many searching for the holy grail to find a mechanical system that will guide you with mechanical discipline for Bet Selection. All have failed. If one can adhere mechanically to Bet Selection, then why cant one be mechanical about certain aspects of Money Management?

    5) We go into a casino alone. They are a team, constantly changing dealers, supervisors, managers, cards, security backed up by a full array of staffs in the back office as well as front. The rules are set and we have to play in their currency.

    In China history which is > 5000 years (America has 500 years and I look forward to its next 4,500 years) there was a period known as the Romance of the 3 Kingdoms where 3 provincial kjngs were at war. One king is Liu Bao and he had a great strategist name Zhu Geliang. Liu directed Zhu to gather 10,000 arrows as soon as possible for a planned attack.

    No complaints, no nothing from Zhu. Against a cloudy and misty weather condition, he set sail several ships with strawmen. The enemies saw out lines of the ships attacking and fired arrows and arrows at the ship. The strawmen (caricatures made from straw) captured all the arrows and sailed back. The enemies were at first elated thinking they were successful in driving back the enemies.

    We must know what we are facing and adapt to win. If we cannot even adhere to these few rules, yes dont do baccarat.

    Peace
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2021
    judge and Terry Plumb like this.
  18. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2018
    Likes:
    253
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    LY, I am not trying to beat a dead horse but right there when you said" I usually come back from 60 mins later after 3 IAR " Really ? Every Time? Maybe somebody of your caliber and yourself. I don't even bother to reply to Punkcity of his comparison of Pro Sports with gambling. A game of skill with a game of chance?
    When this pandemic is over, we can meet in Macao or Singapore and I can show you how well I can play without Martingale in short term. But to really gave the Casino a run for it's money in the long run, it's winning small money with Martingale . Losing the 31 unit bust is like a paper loss in the stock market when you buy and hold. This is the mindset that got me going. Perhaps you recalled too much of your once King for a day winner that the burning desire still burns in you that particular day will come again. Cheers!
     
  19. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2020
    Likes:
    1,291
    Occupation:
    CEO, manager of sublease my account name.inc
    Location:
    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    Don’t bother, I’m sure he can read and also comprehend.

    As for this above quote, surely you understand by now that 5 different people at the same table can all be in the different phases you ask about at various times during the shoe. Just because a result is posted don’t mean everyone is in the same phase if it was that static the game would not be offered by a casino anymore. If you have to ask about timing in this manner you are playing the wrong game.
    Try not using a hammer and cole chisel ( Marty) to cut a diamond, brute force is not necessarily the answer to understanding the thread you are posting to. Perhaps you may need to reread this thread and not just your particular posts to this thread. Cheers
     
    Nathan Detroit likes this.
  20. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2020
    Likes:
    1,291
    Occupation:
    CEO, manager of sublease my account name.inc
    Location:
    Troll tag team one accounts head , Skipptophia.
    Lol.
     

Share This Page