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Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Lungyeh, Sep 13, 2020.

  1. Craps

    Craps Well-Known Member

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    You completely missed the point. I am not asking in general how a phase is determined. I am asking how an individual would determined his own phases given the multitude of permutations of WL. Sure 20 WIAR is excellent phase or 20 LIAR is Sar Chi. but what about the others? So, in your understanding to do a rough estimate can be a key to long term success? Then I rest my case.
    Don't forget I am talking how to tackle the Human Factor side to gambling and Not Martingale or not Martingale.
    That's the main subject that started this exchange and not the effectiveness of the 2 contrasting approaches. There is a certain 'toleration' of each person to resist going towards tilt. Why keep testing or pushing it when there is a more business like approach. That is my main topic of discussion. Instead of just saying something that don't work, it's better to point how WHY it don't work so that people can benefit from not using it.
     
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  2. Lungyeh

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    I cannot get over this. While some have posted how -ve Martingale can win, let us consider the following situations which are very common in each shoe.

    You lose 2 times your 3rd Marty wins and you are up 1 unit. Somewhere further down the shoe, you lose 3 times and your 4th Marty wins and you are up another 1 unit. Then you lose one, your 2nd Marty wins and you are up another unit. Then slightly later you lose 4 LIAR and your 5th Marty bet of 16 units wins and you are up another 1 unit. Lets say in total you are up 10 units. Then 4 LIAR hits in a row. You bet your 5th Marty of 16 units and you lose a total of 31 units for this series of 5 LIAR. Net you would be down 31-10= 21 units.

    While during a session or even a shoe, one can win at the 2nd, 3rd or 4th bet which is common in itself. Just as common, 5,6 or even 7 LIAR do happen.

    The small wins are not enough to cover the one loss. One can take this in the stock market parlance and if it is a paper loss, keep and hold. Sometimes keeping and holding a stock where you have suffered huge losses is not being a long term shareholder for self gratification. One becomes a generational shareholder!! Keep the loss for the next generation.

    And Craps dont take points out of context for semantic purposes. If I said I stop and come back and play @60 minutes later take it that I am talking about a break. Dont ask silly questions. You dont take breaks after a series of losses and press forward with your -ve Marty is your choice ya.
     
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  3. Craps

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    Again I want to stress that it's not the end results of what we chooses to do. It's the tough part of putting what we had planned into a routine time after time. It's the saying plan your work and work your plan. The endless choices that are associated with gambling would make it tough for any Human Being to stick to what is planned and strictly adhere to it especially it can result in a loss.
    Regarding the Martingale if what you described is the norm, I would be rich because I can completely reverse it to a positive Martingale and risk a unit to win 31 units. One has to micro manage a successful -ve Martingale. The mindset has everything to do with it.
    Next time when you get to play, see how many times you lose 5 in a row.
     
  4. judge

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    If your stop loss is 3 LIAR, 5 LIAR will never happen.
     
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  5. Craps

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    Totally agree and many more rules too. But....... How many can lose 3IAR and stop. I mean completely stop. Once or twice don't count.
     
  6. Lungyeh

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    My own guidelines is stop if 3 LIAR or 3 losses out of the last 4 bets.

    I stop. Once or twice I DONT stop and this once or twice I go on to rue my indiscipline.

    Its an exhilarating feeling to come back refreshed and go on to win. Make it a habit. Its a good one.
     
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  7. Craps

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    There you have it. You had indirectly learn something valuable here. You had your mindset or reasons to stop after 3 IAR . You take breaks where you deemed " beneficial' because through your experience you can perform better with a refreshed mind. You somehow think Did not win is better to lose. Breaks after a bad run is essential.
    But however you went to describe the -ve Marty player as compulsive and even mention losing 5,6 or 7 in a row is common. The Marty player can do what you do too. Can you think of the Marty player 'taking breaks' after just one win? Can you think of the Marty 'player playing without actually betting?.
    What you had describe is true because the Law of Averages will destroy the Marty player. The probability is retained every time a 5 Marty is used BUT the LOA keeps creeping up for it to fail.
    I will further post new insights into what is the proper Mindset for using a Martingale just like the way you feel about your Dare to Win and Scared to Lose philosophy. Stay positive!
     
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  8. Nathan Detroit

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    Lung Yeh, Sir, We are fully endorsing and are behind your MM UB and HPB recommendations.



    ND
     
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  9. Lungyeh

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    Gee Craps, its not as if I came up with this ‘break after 3 LIAR or 3 losses out of the last 4 bets’ thingy only just now and only in response to your posts.

    It was written in this thread way in the beginning and repeated many times for the hard headed.

    Peace and blessed is your -ve 5 Marty.
     
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    Thank you ND. I just feel the need to advise against the danger of negative Martingale as an express ticket to the morgue.

    Losing many LIAR is the deathbed of many baccarat players if they dont stop in their track and take a break. Negative Martingale will just be the final nail in the coffin.

    The question posed was ‘How many of you can stop?’ The answer really is that ALL. ALL who are still playing can stop and must continue to stop if faced with this loss situation.

    Again, peace to all people of goodwill.
     
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  11. Craps

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    I am sure you totally agree it's not one size fits all. Certain task call for certain tools or instruments. Your bias view of potraying Martingale further show proof that you are a 'superstitious' player that based everything heavily on luck trends. No discredit here. Your thought process works beautifully if one can master it. When I go out of Vegas for a holiday/gambling trip, I don't use Martingale. I do play like you timing bet selections and bet amount because I want to have more playing or sitting time at the table. But I can tell you the feeling of gambling is all over me. Back at home with Marty, I feel I am working. Two different animal.
    It makes me wonder what is a Stop Loss for? It's the remedy for any method that we used. I urged you to at least try to understand that Martingale is not all doom. You just need to have the right mindset that Marty is a tool to win and NOT a tool to chase your losses. Please don't use Marty. I am just scratching my head that I kept giving out reasons that I see why it works but kept getting feedbacks of the opposite WITHOUT any reasoning. Just I don't like it. That is not the feedback that I have expected.
     
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    No. Those of us that are well experienced and that have already gone through the adolescent's phase of searching for mindless mechanical systems are not biased. In fact I encourage you to take your hard earned money, or your grandmother's allowance, to any casino and make a wonderful future for yourself.

    One of you guys comes along every year. You have your magic system and you will not take anyone else's advice. When the shit hits the fan you will skulk off somewhere into obscurity and become a mathZombie.

    Just wait. You are this year's laughing stock. Only you will be the last to know it. It's not bias here. It's just years and years experience with Martingale fanatics. They always insist that they are on the path to utopia and then all of a sudden poof, they disappear and are never heard from again. You can check the archives. It's all documented in black & white.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Maybe he needs a bigger sledgehammer.
    Aka jaws reference.
    Lol.


    But seriously folks we need him and the likes of people he assures many readers here that are unable to do a smidgen of what’s been posted this thread. Without them no casino, no casino then no one that is able to do the barest minimum of discipline etc things this thread would be able to earn a lively hood. Without them who would deal the cards , spin the wheel, wipe down the slot machine?

    Really thanks guys and gals , don’t forget to keep your day job. Cheers
     
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    Lol it really doesn’t work. Casino knows that. If it works the casino would shut the practice down, as I have posted previously across many threads I see very very few longtime Marty players anymore. The old school Marty player comes back every 3-6 months AFTER they build another bankroll remember the friends I posted about? The mine workers?
    Your how I made Marty work for me thread had merit but you can’t make it work, I would like to see you make it work but you keep shooting your self in the neck.
    Stop
    Re read this thread again, and a couple of other threads , you have glimpses of potential , just put the shotgun and sledgehammer away.
    Good luck.
     

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    Nope , not going to happen you won’t allow yourself to change. Simple.

    Im sorry to say but you need to re think and take a break for your own piece of mind. Wishing you good luck young man.
     
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    LOL!
     
  17. Craps

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    Ok experience poster. Would you mind letting the whole community know through your experience why Martingale don't work?
    We all Martingale players want to learn and correct ourselves. And please tell us why keep regarding Martingale as a mechanical system only and CANNOT be something else?
     
  18. Craps

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    There is a misinterpretation of what I meant. I was asking him whether he STRICTLY take a break after 3 LIAR. If he only does it once or twice in a day doesn't count but he thought I was referring to him losing once or twice.
     
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    Let's clear the air. I am not promoting Martingale as something better. I am disclosing HOW I GO ABOUT Martingale with substantial reasoning and all I get are the cons of Martingale. No mention of REAL probability and the freedom of quitting while ahead. I welcome questions if people are curious but we have full of experts here with eyes and ears closed. Are these people here to BOAST? HUSTLE? or something else?
    You guys keep saying been there, done that but never disclose how you do it. That tells a lot. I thought this forum is full of Baccarat enthusiast.
     
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    It always encounters that sequence of death that kills all your progress. It follows the mathematical expectation because it uses a progression that always eventually loses after the last hoped for bet. It always does this because you place that last bet in the sequence that loses. Until you lose your entire bankroll you will think it works. I have seen this go on for 8 months with one wonder boy. How long will you last?
     

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