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Baccarat Beat The Casino Forum Opinion

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Michael, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. Rudy

    Rudy Member Lineage to Founders

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    It is odd that BTC is selling the new method Strategic Baccarat, curious why they have to sell something new if they have the holy grail (Norm's method) very fishy.
     
  2. snowlion

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    The monthly fee was raised from 49.95/month to 149.00 to join which includes the first month. That raised immediate suspicion given the reputation that the site had garnered, given the expensive systems that were being sold. The excuse was that far too many people bought one month and downloaded all the systems and left. That is why I didn't join since I was only interested in Norm's strategy.

    The same happened with Jerry Patterson years ago in which he started selling myriad systems instead of the earlier strategies, that showed merit.
     
  3. Johnno1

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    Which part of "There are no methods/systems for sale on BTC" didn't you understand?

    You have totally grabbed the wrong end of the stick. Strategic Baccarat is simply access to a Baccarat Interface practice tool of Real Casino Baccarat shoes which goes hand in hand with a monthly membership fee. There are no contracts and players can opt out after the first month or whenever if it's not what that are seeking.
    Nobody has ever claimed (especially Norm) that "Follow The Shoe" is the HG. Norm's method is not a method per se in that it was just a forerunner of looking at the shoe differently to most and it isn't taught as a method/system and as such isn't for sale. No two players would play a shoe exactly the same way as BTC have moved in a totally different direction away from mechanical systems and Negative Progressions. The fact of the matter is that for the majority of players BTC membership would be a waste of time and money because FTS is not a quick fix and does take time to grasp and lots of practice (which is where the benefits of the interface tool come into their own) and most players will not put in the time and effort required. They would rather fork out $1,000's on mechanical systems being flogged off by the numerous "snake oil" salesmen out there despite knowing in their heart of hearts that they are likely being scammed.
    The fact is though that there are some players on BTC that are long term winners betting minimal risk...either Flat Betting or Looping and these same players can be watched in action at the various meetups. Yes!...I said "meetups" with members invited to either play or just observe...There are no longer any "High Priced" Seminars...They disappeared with the owner of the site's former partner.

    Along with the removal of the "Giant Ego" that was once in evidence (you would recognise what I'm talking about because you have them here)...The fact is that with BTC...
    There are no longer any outrageous claims of immediate success...
    No guarantees given...
    No "infallible" systems for sale (they are all still available but their use is not encouraged)
    No ridiculously high non-refundable "up front" joining fee.

    TBH: if it's a scam...it's a pretty piss poor effort because the owner is not going to get rich on what he charges. To give him his due...He is doing everything he can to live down the "deserved" previous bad rep that BTC had. (I myself was a victim) He is offering along with membership... access to Strategic Baccarat and a separate interface for roulette players...Strategic Roulette and access to both those programmes is worth the piddling monthly cost for any serious player even if they made no use of the strategies available.

    I'm not here to encourage membership of BTC at all. It is of no matter or importance to me. I simply wanted to correct some misconceptions deliberate or otherwise by some of your fellow members.

    I wish that everybody could win at the casino (except that there would be no more casinos and I'd have to take up plumbing or something) But the reality is that very few do. So saying...it is absolute BS to claim that "nobody can beat the Casino" by simply Flat Betting because I know several that do.

    I wish everybody the best of luck...but beware the "negative vibes"...Negativity is the first step to losing.

    Johnno
     
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  4. Johnno1

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    Which part of..."There are no systems being sold on BTC" didn't you understand?...let alone "expensive systems"

    Re: The joining fee...That wasn't an excuse...it is fact...It just beggars belief that anyone serious about winning would even consider that an exorbitant price? How much is Norm's strategy worth...$10...$20...How much?...Beyond stupid...
     
  5. Roubacc

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    WOW! Very quick to attack BTC. Nobody said strategic baccarat was a method. It is just an internet tool load by players with REAL shoes to simulate a real casino environment to practice.
     
  6. Jimske

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    The details not on BTC.
     
  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    If one can win flat betting then one can win with any number of progressions - positive or negative.
     
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  8. Jimske

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    So Roubac you seem to have iinfo on Norm's FTS method. Perhaps you could give some ideas as to what it is all about even if just in a general way.

    I'm not a public or premium member of BTC but it is my understanding that Norm's method never appeared there. The best understanding I got for FTS on BTC was a guy named McVince knew the method but was not divulging it. Instead he uses his own FTS idea which is kind of interesting. I'll lay out as much as I understand that was told to me by a member.

    It is only one bet only on an event either staying a chop (solo single) or that event repeats for a 2IAR. That's the bet. IOW no betting for 2 goes 3 or the chop continues. That does tend to simplify things. The choice is dependent on disparity of the singles vs. 2's and 3's+. IOW there is a count of the number of singles, 2's and 3's+. So a disparity of 2 favoring the chops or repeats determines what the bet will be.

    It's a 3 column system. A single column for 1's; 2's; and 3+. You can add the disparity from left to right in order to get the prerequisite 2 disparity. Eg. 1-1-2 (1 single-1 two- 2 three +) says there is no disparity of 2. But we can add the 2nd and 3rd column (1+2=3) to get a disparity of 2 repeats to every single.

    It's apparent that this is a derivative of Ellis' NOR which by its nature requires long runs to change the count and by that time the "trend" may be over. So this count method still relies on what basically is a meaningless count but it does seem to be a bit more responsive. That is because it lumps the 3+ in as only one count thereby preventing a long repeat from having too much influence. Ellis then tried to use a "weighted" count based on the average run lengths. This column method argues that it's a mistake looking at shoe averages as opposed to present shoe signature. ???? Maybe.

    Apparently they're talking about leaving the shoe a +3 unit flat bet. One would think with all the great minds over there someone would run a sim against live shoes to see if this has any efficacy.
     
  9. Baccarat man

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    Yes the casino can be beaten playing baccarat and only baccarat!!because it has the lowest house edge but you need to have balls of steel!!and be willing to hit them hard.not a chance with roulette,craps,blackjack odds are stacked against you full stop.
     
  10. jbs

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    And you're on drugs! Same with the rest of you baccarat and roulette losers!
     
  11. varmenti

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    Beatthecasino forum is just focused on their own stuff. They do not care about anyone else sharing their own experiences. I tried to comment on a post but all I get is a limit. Have to wait 24hrs before I can respond to posts or emails. Oh well... this forum is better.

    If people want to laugh at my strategies, that's ok, because it's just and experience... I don't ever ask for money or anything in return, but do comment.
     
  12. Baccarat man

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    Oh so you think you'll never lose???Get your brain examined carefully.The casino must love to see fool hardy customers like you coming.
     
  13. Baccarat man

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    Flat betting will only work for a short time.you have to increase your stake at some point to get ahead.simple as
     
  14. varmenti

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    Flat betting = Bad bet in Baccarat... you will never win ever with this kind of betting... In order to even out win/loss ratio you need to press your bets after each win... not saying to go overboard but even a simple 25-50-75 and then repeat is good enough to get you longer play times.
     

  15. nguyen

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    What about virtual betting to pass lose string ? Have anyone heard about this ?
     
  16. varmenti

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    that's called a 50/50 no bet... when you reach an area of the shoe where it is equal... don't bet... or virtual bet to determine what your next "real bet" will be.
     
  17. Roubacc

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  18. Roubacc

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    Well I have several of Norm’s shoes in my possession and I can tell you he made 10 to 20+ units a shoe, not just 3. Yes, he did lose shoes too, but he made a hell of a lot more than he lost. He had a strict stop loss.
    The way that you explained FTS is somewhat accurate. The guys at Beat the casino have taken his play (and his Baccarat playing partner’s play) to the next level. Mostly these guys are flat betting or looping their bets (12121212..).
     
  19. mron

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    Been lurking for a while, but first post. I live in Vegas and have been playing baccarat for over 10 years. Play something akin to a hit n run approach, in that I don’t bet every hand and play to a strict stop loss.

    Looking forward to contributing and hopefully meeting some of you in Vegas.

    Mike
     
  20. mron

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    I’m surprised you say they don’t care about sharing of experiences @varmenti . I’m not a member at BTC, but I do know a couple members well, and play frequently in Vegas with a very talented member from California who plays big and almost always wins. I’m told that they operate as a club now where everyone contributes and shares information. I have looked at their public board, and it is a shit show — a common problem with boards open to anyone on the internet (and the main reason why I am tentative in getting involved in most forums). Was you experience with this public forum, or are you a member and had a bad experience in the private forum?
     

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