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Baccarat Beatable Game?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by PlayTheSystem, Aug 30, 2021.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    This is weird. I was good friends with a NASA dude that worked on the lunar space capsule. I knew many people that worked for Aerojet that built the Saturn V engines. I could hear them test those engines every day around 2:00 pm. More boring facts. Yeah, that guy that did the math on Moneyball. Bayesian inference vs absolutism. That's been going on for centuries. I discovered a perfect reoccurring pattern and decided to go with it. That was $60 into $3,000 in thirty minutes on a Roulette table. Then I discovered that I had no idea how to use it for another couple of decades. Then I wrote the Reading Randomness thread. I'm too fried in the head after building the prototype for MTML, Meaningful Text Markup Language. So I just sit back and cool my heals. No more time to burn brain cells on past discoveries or inventions. It's your time. Go get them tiger.
     
  2. Frank Kneeland

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    Just a general thank you to everyone for the fun banter and chit-chat. It's a welcome distraction right now.
     
  3. Lungyeh

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    Sorry if I have not been contributing to positive baccarat or non baccarat discussions Frank. But I have been distracted by certain trashy people and their accomplices and I am determined not to be worded out by their aggression.
     
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  4. Frank Kneeland

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    No worries mate. I'm mostly just here for the distraction. You know I'm taking care of several dying friends. It's gotten brutal.
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    MOVING ON: I have a line on something that could prove profitable for baccarat.

    Does anyone in this group know what "The Big John Rule" or the "Sammy" is???

    If not, We have such sights to show you. (Wait, did I just quote Pin Head from Hell-raiser) -- I could have issues.
     
  5. Lungyeh

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    Pray tell. Even if I dont write, I read…Big John Rule and Sammy…
     
  6. Frank Kneeland

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    Sammy is the Pro slang for what gaming protection people call "the turn".

    The Big John Rule is Pro slang for the rule you can't stand up at a BJ table while playing, which came about due to BIG John playing The Turn.

    I will elaborate later. I have actually just been called to work. I must go collect someone's urine for my DOT drug testing job.

    Oh, The Turn/Sammy has been used to beat baccarat.

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    Just a P.S. I make so many jokes I would not be surprised if someone thought I was just having them on. I really and truly work for a DOT drug testing company. No joke whatsoever... Timely Testing...if you want to help us with Google Reviews...
     
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  7. Frank Kneeland

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    I'm back home for a few, but I have more senior care to do tonight.

    Phil Ivey is the most famous turn player in baccarat and took the Borgata for 10mill. Does anyone know this story?

    I know of the event, but I'm still trying to figure out how he turned the cards. My strong guess is he asked for a Chemin De Fer version of the game by betting BIG and took em to the cleaners.

    Oh if I had not mentioned it before, my father financed one of his movies "A Criminal Affair" with money he won playing Chemin De Fer in Monte Carlo. I lived in LaNapoule on the cote d'azur for six months after dad won the cannes film festival for best adaptation for a classic for his movie "The Mysterious House of Doctor C"...

    Now maybe you'll understand better why I'm in your baccarat forum thread... It kinda runs in the family.
     

  8. Frank Kneeland

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    The Turn is edge tracking based on SLIGHT variations in how the cards are turned. Not all cards are perfectly symmetrical and identical if they are turned. In some casinos they even had One-Way cards with things as stupid as horse shoes where you could tell if they were pointing down or up.
     
  9. Frank Kneeland

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    Code Speak...hmm...Do you mean the pearl is in the river?

    Crow files at midnight--
     
  10. Frank Kneeland

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    Sorry I put this in the wrong thread:

    I called a friend in casino surveillance and found out how that famous pro gambler used "the turn" in a baccarat game at the Borgata in AC. He took a faux Asian wife who pretended to be very superstitious and kept insisting on feng shui like rules for how the cards were placed on the felt. The pit boss figured "let em have it" as it's still the same cards, what difference could it make.

    The difference is this case was by shuffle two or three, the players had a very good idea of what the first card dealt was going to be.

    HUGE EDGE...
     
  11. Frank Kneeland

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    Question Giz: I never much used the Kelly Criterion as VP and slots have fixed betting amounts and require a totally different formula for determining BR requirements and risk.

    The GOLD-STANDARD for table games, where you can very your bet, is playing Kelly or Half-Kelly. Every BJ and Poker PRO I know uses it incessantly. They would never dream of sitting down at a table without first calculating their Kelly.

    Have you ever used it and if so how?
     
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    The exploits Phil Ivey and Cheung Yin Sun are well documented.
     
  13. Frank Kneeland

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    So it would seem. It was all news to me. I knew some BJ Turn players, but I had never heard of it being used on Baccarat until recently.

    I've known a few people in the BJ industry, but only peripherally. I had dinner with a gal that used to have to hold the radio transmitter for the shoe computers in a pizza box. Her nickname was, "no-nickname". How cool is that?
     
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    A cat could make serious cake by counting card at a traditional, olds school chemin de fer game, hey hey.
     

  15. Frank Kneeland

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    I have no idea if my father was a counter. I would imagine that he was as he was not light between the ears. I do know for a fact that when we got into financial trouble finishing one of his movies it was off to Monte Carlo to pick up the slack. He only needed $14,000 US to finish the film.

    We made millions on the movie.

    Dad passed away when I was 12 years old.
     
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    We do have some things in commonality Frank bro. My dad passed away when I was 12 years old too.

    In my sixth decade now, I thank God everyday for the extra time he gives me with my wonderful children
     
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    Never use it. I read what the current conditions of randomness are doing according to my own construct. If two wins in a row are in a strong phase then I use double the base value for attacking bets on the first step and the base value for attacking on the second in the phase. This is commonly written around here as a ( 2, 1 ). In that vain I use (2, 1, 2) and (3, 2, 1 ). My normal tactic is to beat the averages by winning one in a row bets. I don't really need these stacked bets.

    To put all this in a nutshell I go back to the question I asked a stranger at the door of Harvey's Tahoe more than 29 years ago. I asked him what the secret to all this is. He answered with one simple axiom, "Bet big when you are doing good and bet small when you are doing bad." Reading Randomness is just a systemic method to exploit streak identification while using trend or pattern constructs to see when they go into a dominate state or condition of effectiveness. That includes working and not working phases that are always temporary. Consequently I don't waste my time reading what other people think. I know for a fact that this is the best approach to developing a final solution to gambling and games of chance based on randomness. In fact I would have to just say it. It is done. It is developed.

    I could care less if this seems arrogant. I did the one thing that nobody would do with it. I set out to teach it to others so that their efforts become the necessary peer review. This Reading Randomness thread, posted in the Roulette section, is the unthinkable test. This was not handed over to academics to theorize and debate. It was handed over to motivated gamblers as they will put out the truth as facts before the mathematical theory or "Law of Randomness" is postulated by formula or algorithm.
     
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    Try to understand this by analogy. Suppose astronomers from the Lick Observatory in Central California went up to Goldendale Washington to get evidence of the existence of curved space by getting glass plate negatives, photographic evidence, of a solar eclipse, proving that the locations for light waves had apparently moved around the gravity well of our sun? It had always been thought that light travels in a straight line. They then handed this evidence off to Albert Einstein to explain it.
     
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  19. gizmotron

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    Please excuse me while I finish the thought. I don't bother reading other people's theories where ideas of strategy are presented. I don't waste my time because they have not changed the world of gambling with their tactics. If the Holy Grail is actually presented it will change gambling in much the same way that Ed Thorp of MIT fame has changed Blackjack.
     
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    I was watching tv last night. Saw a man jacking off while watching a documentary about UFOs.

    You know what I mean Gizzy???
     

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