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Roulette Beating Random by Betting Random

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by David Gregory, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. jbs

    jbs Well-Known Member

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    Blackjack Don Johnson? He was playing with a positive expectation. A huge one at that. Aside from loss rebates, him and his entourage were counting, hole carding, shuffle tracking and creating dealer payoff errors.
     
  2. albalaha

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    I do not know as to which book of maths tell people that a game of negative expectations can not be won or increasing bet is of no help. A simple labby will beat any EC case within 200 trials max. A labouchere beats a game in only 67% hit rate than average and there is no reported case of breaching that limit in any 200 hands of baccarat. Thus increasing bet systematically will surely help, no wild guessing is required. Problem is, usually table limits or limited bankroll will not allow one to use it perfectly in worst of the times.
     
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    If the testers are like TurboGenius, I understand they find a simple progression beating the game.
     
  4. David Gregory

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    Hi Jerome, I would like for you to do me a favor if you would. No one as of yet coded my original Roulette strategy in which I am up 7, 628 units. The reason it has not been coded is because I have been told the rules are to difficult to code. If you are interested here are the rules in their simplistic form:

    1. Use a single zero wheel.
    2. Play each session to a win of 50 units.
    3. Use a 7 step Martingale.
    4. Take 7 free spins before betting. From this point on, all bets will be placed on the color of the 7th spin back.
    5. if a decision is won, continue to bet that color until a loss. When a loss is incurred, continue to double bets on 7th spin back.
    6. If the next bet is to be on a zero that was produced earlier, skip over the zero and continue on the next color following.
    7. Here is one of the rules I was told was difficult to code. It's an important rule, but if you cannot include it, go without it. If the 3 most recent decisions are X O X, bet O. If you win this decision, X O X O, bet X etc.

    The object here is betting that a previous pattern of 7 will not be immediately followed by a pattern that is produced in complete reverse. I will ask Mac to code this also so the results can be compared.

    Thanks.
     
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  5. David Gregory

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    Hi Mac, I would like for you to do me a favor if you would. No one as of yet coded my original Roulette strategy in which I am up 7, 628 units. The reason it has not been coded is because I have been told the rules are to difficult to code. If you are interested here are the rules in their simplistic form:

    1. Use a single zero wheel.
    2. Play each session to a win of 50 units.
    3. Use a 7 step Martingale.
    4. Take 7 free spins before betting. From this point on, all bets will be placed on the color of the 7th spin back.
    5. if a decision is won, continue to bet that color until a loss. When a loss is incurred, continue to double bets on 7th spin back.
    6. If the next bet is to be on a zero that was produced earlier, skip over the zero and continue on the next color following.
    7. Here is one of the rules I was told was difficult to code. It's an important rule, but if you cannot include it, go without it. If the 3 most recent decisions are X O X, bet O. If you win this decision, X O X O, bet X etc.

    The object here is betting that a previous pattern of 7 will not be immediately followed by a pattern that is produced in complete reverse. I will ask Jerome to code this also so the results can be compared.

    Thanks.
     
  6. Winner

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    30000 trials that’s 908 session making 5 units .
    Documenting on what spin it hits .
    1st ex 2248
    2nd 1124
    3rd 584
    4th 216
    5th48
    6th 20
    Then document losses
    -6th 52
    -7th 20
    Now martingale works when you now the hit rate
    It does not have to be continued ex if you want to bet for 4 spins at 124816 and you lose wait and then start your Marty on the second session and the continue 32 64. 128 and son on we get screwed because we think oh it’s has to come in bet so keep betting on straight run of 7 8 or what ever length progression .anyways these are my result on red black repeat system that I have created.
     
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  7. Jerome

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    So this rule is just to bet on the decision before last whenever the last 3 decisions alternate, right?
     

  8. David Gregory

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    Yes, correct. Only when the 3 most recent colors begin to alternate. Example: R B R R R B B. The B is in the 7th betting position and is now to be ignored. The R now requires that a B is bet. If the B hits, then a R is bet, etc. Eventually after more spins are made, the alternating pattern advances to the 7th betting position. In my extensive rules, when an alternating pattern comes to the betting position, it is to be skipped all but 2 of the colors and then start betting again. Another rule is not to bet against a streak of a color longer than 3. If a streak comes to betting position, skips are to be made until the streak is cut down to no more than 3 long. There are more rules like that, but along with the above additional 2 rules I just mentioned are what make the coding very difficult. Is there a way that I can send you the complete strategy for you to examine without posting it so that you code as much of it as possible? If not, I guess it will have to be kept simple as posted, although it will not produce the same results. The 7 rules I posted are those I originally started with and was achieving pretty good success. All the additional rules came later as I observed the outcomes from experience.
    Thanks
     
  9. Jerome

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    David,

    The private messaging rules are a bit weird on this forum, so it's probably better if you send the details to yayey73640 @ eroyal . net. Don't worry about the rules being too complex, include all of them but please try to make them clear and preferably include a short spin example illustrating each one. When coding the system I'll include output at each step so you can see if everything is correct. It would also help if you give me some spins (about 100 or so) which you've already played and therefore know what the exact results are after each spin. I can then use the simulator to process the spins and if all is well it should produce the exact same results.
     
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  10. David Gregory

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    Okay, I will do my best to accomplish what you are asking. It will take me a little bit time to do that. Is the above an email address? If it is, I can send the complete details. I think you will not need more than that, they are very clear.
     
  11. Jerome

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    Yes, I left gaps on either side of the "@" and the "." to stop it being removed by the forum software which doesn't allow links or emails to be posted.
     
  12. David Gregory

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    Great, I will send out the complete details later today. If something is not clear, we can chat by email from this point forward rather than on this thread.
     
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    Would you guys keep us updated with the results?
     
  14. David Gregory

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    That's the plan.
     

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    It's in every book written by therapists and psychologists on gambling addiction and problem gambling. It's their clever way of saying that you can't win so why even try. That alone is a slap in the face to any problem gambler that is still in a phase of believing that they can win. So it comes off as an insult. That's a great way to develop trust. These help gurus are their own worst nightmare. They kill their effort on the first move. It's funny to me. Buy my book and help yourself, "asshole." I should write a self help book for all the assholes. Some day they are going to know that I think about their advice this way. Then they will need to rewrite all the books. This is the Assholes Anonymous version of a 12 step fix: "I was an asshole and I will always be an asshole. I have been clean for six months." -- What a fucking joke.
     
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    Does anyone here know the name and artist for the song used in the background of this daily webcast? They cut away for a minute in this one but that is used every day for this segment.



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  17. Jerome

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    I haven't received them yet, did you send them?
     
  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    That's absurd. He won because he had the advantage by exploiting the loss rebates offered by the casino, and by counting cards. It had nothing whatsoever to do with "betting random to beat random."

    Betting random to beat random is a silly idea.
     
  19. David Gregory

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    Yes, I sent it out yesterday afternoon. I did not get a notice that it failed to go through.
     
  20. Jerome

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    That's odd. If it was a typo you'd think it would have bounced. This is a temporary email I set up at temp-mail.org, but I've checked it by sending a couple of emails from my regular address and no problems.

    You could try again in case it was a typo -

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