Roulette Beating Random by Betting Random

When I first suggested that you can know when you are in a losing streak or that you are in a winning streak the mathBoyz flipped out and went ballistic on me. They insisted that you can't know these moments. I, on the other hand, could not forget the look on the faces of every pit boss that took a big look at what I was doing while being in one of these win streaks. Just try and find a pit boss when you are crashing and burning. They are out of sight. So, consequently, there has been very little or next to no discussions on gambling forums regarding win streaks and losing streaks and trying to use them for an advantage. I suspect by now that most people are sick and tired of my topic. They have either dismissed it or they have embraced it and have decided to keep it to themselves. I'm fascinated that there is very little out there on it though. I have decades of live playing experience and know that win streaks just appear and last for a while. I can't understand why the oldest axiom in gambling is ignored these days. It's "bet big when you are doing well and bet small when you aren't."

 

I don't know what your problem is. I don't care. You are at least consistent. I'll give you that much. I'll say it again. I can lose more than the house edge says I must lose, in the long run or the short run, and I will still beat the casino by such a large amount that the casino's "edge" will be as if it is non existent. I do this by not funding the losing streaks. Now you, as some self described merchant of math, something I'm not buying BTW, have no idea how to go about doing this. I suggest that you stop counting all the zits on your face and try seeing that there are girls out there that won't hold this against you.

When you say "Wrong, wrong, WRONG, WRONG!!!!!" you make yourself a self assured wannabe. I hope you don't get that either. Stay consistent.

 

I forgot to ask you a question based on the following statement you made: "How do you justify this as "betting randomly" when you have a clear instruction on when to bet and what to bet on based on the last result... that's not betting randomly." My question is therefore: If you wanted to make your next bet purely based on randomness with no rules or instructions, how would you do that?

 

So how do you do this in Baccarat? If first card (last card) drawn is even (odd) bet banker (player)?

 

Thanks for asking, your guess is pretty close. Here is what I do:
1. The Player or Banker bet you will make is based on the total of the winning hand.
2. If the total of the winning hand is an Odd number - 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, you place your bet on Player.
3. If the total of the winning hand is an Even number - 2, 4, 6, 8, you place your bet on Banker.
4. In case of a Tie, both hands will be either Odd or Even, (0 being even) bet next hand according to above rules 2 & 3
5. The following is a rule I have just started to test showing good results. If you lose 3 times in a row, reverse rule 2 & 3. If total is Odd, bet Banker, if total is Even, bet player. Keep betting that way until you have 3 losses in a row, then reverse back to original rules 2 & 3.

I start with a 368 unit bankroll and use a 7 step Martingale betting progression and play each session to a win of 50 units. If I lose the 368 unit bankroll, I consider that a complete ruin. Not yet though. I have lost a few sessions but have always made up the losses and then some. The D'Alembert progression works okay too. However, I do not drop down a unit when I win a hand. Keeping the bet higher returns the losses quicker when hitting a small winning streak.

Give this a try and let me know your results, good or bad. If you have any suggestions that would be appreciated also.

 

Your guess is actually a pretty good approach, maybe even better than mine. I tested it a little with some good results so far. I used the last card drawn for placing my next bet. If it was an odd number, I bet on Player. If it was an even number, I bet on Banker. What we are trying to accomplish is a way bet randomly based on the randomness of the cards dealt.

 

Sorry but I don't see any logic behind this style bets selection. It is a fact that betting bankers only gonna give ya the best strike rate possible at the baccarats table. Cats who think that they can determine trend, turning point win/lose streak before the facts are delusional, hey hey.

 

Hey Soxfan. I’m not trying to speak for David but it seems to me that he is applying a version of “coin flipping” to his bet selection method. This just seems a little more convenient that using said coin at the table.

 

Hey, hey, all strategies are illogical and delusional, show me otherwise. Some are just better than others. It is a fact that betting Banker only offers the best strike rate, but it is delusional to believe you will make any serious money doing that. Post the absolute best strategy you use along with your MM, unit betting progression, units to achieve per session and stop/loss. I would love to compare it to mine and maybe find something better. If you don't post your strategy, that means you have nothing and your comments mean nothing. I am patiently waiting.

 

Nice comment and great observation. You are right, flipping a coin and using Heads to bet Banker and Tails to bet Player (or the other way around), is as good as it gets for betting randomly, but of course not convenient at all. When I posted my strategy, I accidentally left out one important rule. And that is: If you have a bet on Banker and it wins, continue to bet Banker. If you have a bet on Player and it wins, continue to bet Player. This allows for catching streaks.

 

David Gregory in his last post pointed out his bet selection and this is commonly known as "Following the Table".


His MM selection should be of no ones concer


Have a good day .

 

I posted a thread on here in the baccarats section detailing my testing results showing bettting bankers only has shown a net profit of about 5 units per shoe over now 4000+ tested shoe. Oh and stop loss/stop win goals are for loser recreational players, hey hey.

 

Statistically, that's impossible. You say you averaged 5 units per shoe playing 4,000 shoes. That a win of 20,000 units. If that was won by flat betting, you are the biggest shuck and jive artist on this forum. Ha,ha.

 

Don't be obtuse, I never said I employed betting flat, hey hey!

 

Okay then, that changes my thinking because that could never work. I asked you previously to post your betting strategy so that I could test it. So far all I have is your word on winning 5 units average per 4,000 shoes tested. You have only posted your results, which means nothing if it can't be tested by others. Like I said before, if you do not post your complete betting strategy, you have nothing and your comments mean nothing. I am patiently waiting as all others are. Is that being obtuse?

 

I outlined my EXACT style of play in my thread on testings in the baccarats section. A friend of mine has tested the style for 600 shoe and he got an average net profit of about 5.1 units per and over 3400+ tested shoe I got an average of about 5.5 units net per so results are consistent and no reason to test anymore, hey hey.

 

I couldn't find anything specific on your strategy from your thread, but from what I did find I gathered it is no more than waiting for Player to hit 2 or 3 times in a row before betting Banker. So once you finally bet Banker and lose that hand, then what? I hope your answer is really unique because waiting for one side to streak before you bet the other side has been around since the day Baccarat was introduced.

 

This is for the ingnorat ,House edge doesn’t make you lose it’s the table limits .It will sink in one day for you people there is hope .
You don’t know when a streak starts or finishes so there is know such thing as betting big when a streak come and betting small when it doesn’t don’t be fooled by this it’s nit true .

 

The casino don't put bet limits to protect from negative progression players... They have the time and the money to wait you to meet the black day and they could simply close a table as soon as you reached a high step in the progression to put you in a bad situation...
They just put limits to avoid positive progression and to avoid their black day, if you're searching a 3 in a row on a number, they could lose around 250K in only 3 spins if you start with 5euros/180/6600 bet...

And of course HE will make you finally lose, were you sleeping in math course???

 

Gizmotron seems to differ with you in regards to knowing when streaks come. I myself am not sure because I have not looked into it enough to know one way or the other. Have you looked into some of his posts why he believes this? You made the statement:" House edge does not make you lose, it's the table limits." Come on now, wouldn't you consider table limits to be part of the house's edge?