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Yes, the weighted SAP is not practical. It shows you what the "Should be doing" as opposed to what it is doing. Using the unweighted SAP gives you more of a real look at what the shoe is doing. The biggest mistake being make is looking at a shoe as a whole instead of scoring P & B separately. If your SAP count is telling you to bet a streak, why bet the streak if P has not gone past a 2iar? In this scenario, the reason why SAP is telling you to bet the streak is because of B so wait for a B situation to arise and bet the streak on B. There are so many other things to look at with FTS but let's just say this, if you use unweighted SAP and stay within 1's, 2's and 3's iar you will be in control of your game.

 

Anybody that reads and believes this bullshit above deserves to lose there life savings in a casino.

 

Should be "their" not "there" in my above post.

 

I am glad you clarified their and there. Not only are you a jerk off, you can't use correct vocabulary. This is my last post to you. I think you are one of those idiots who can't play and just likes to create chaos.

 

Thanks alot Mcvince but I'm still blind unweighted SAP count anyway thank you for giving me some clue I appreciated Take care bro

 

Mcvince. I'm very thankful for your help above.. I played 2 shoes today and win 14 units highest was 17 playing FTS flat betting. I know FTS is not a system it based on experience playing what happen in a shoe everyone has different style of play . can I ask you one more thing? you don't bet every hand but do you bet 2 hands iar? let say P high 2 high 4's but no 3 and when you lost to a 2's P will you make another bet 3's go to 4's+? or have you not bet at all while 2's and 4's are high? and do you go otr on chops? I know it's hard to answer becuz it depend on what the shoe doing but I would like to know if you ever follow on runs like just chops? If you don't comfortable saying on here can you hit to my email thanhttt2809gmail.. It's fine if you don't like to I still respect for what you have shared Thanks Mvcince. and hey you shouldn't be worry what I saying on here I believe none of these guys here know what the heck we talk about and they will never discover what FTS is all about. ))

 

One more thing Mcvince please don't mind and waste your words to these guys on here we can tell they are a bunch of losers just love to bashing other people and can't find a way to win at baccarat.

 

I am an EXTREMELY conservative player. For me, I have a very modest win goal and stop loss. I try to get one win per P or B event. I will email you. As far as your second post, I joined this forum because I am defending BTC. I know firsthand that BTC has a lot of accomplished players with guys betting purple and yellow. I made peace with the member I signed on here for. As far as that other hand job JBS, you are right. He is an idiot that comes on her to contribute nothing. I am surprised he has not been removed from this forum yet.

 

Making bets on past history? Okay, what else is there? Does past history predict future outcomes? There's lots of ways to slice and dice the game and break it down to past history. You could look at time before last, opposite time before last and bet that dominance, etc. The possibilities don't end. And you got to pay how much to bet the history of the shoe?

Betting within ones twos and threes will reduce the amount of bets made but I'm not sure it gives us much of an advantage.

More importantly a friend was telling me that people BTC are basically flat betting which means they're trying to win more hands than lose. Quitting the shoe at + 3 or -5 units? Seriously? You have to win three shoes for every loss just to make 4 units for the force shoes. Doesn't sound like much of a winning formula to me.

 

Ok. Hope what you are doing is working for you, I know what I am doing is working well for me. I don't have to go out of my way to prove you wrong.

 

Did I ask you to prove anything? Did I make any claim that needs proving? Nope. Ellis actually introduced me (and a lot of others - including Keith) to this game back when "rec.gambling.blackjack" was about the only forum for BJ or Baccarat. When was that - got to be at least 18 years ago, maybe more?

Anywho, you brought up the ancient SAP and the count. I'm just commenting on it. I happen to agree that the count only tells us what happened, not what is going to happen. I don't know how the specifics for the "unweighted" count. Any count can give an idea of the bias if you can't tell just by looking at the shoe. But I will guarantee that following a purely mechanical count (unweighted or not) will NOT prove to predict future outcome greater than the EV. I'm not saying one shouldn't use it or bet the bias of the game, however. Other than a mechanical placement formula what else do we have besides betting the history or bias?

Nor do I object to people subscribing to a pay site. If that's what one needs to learn what the bias is then fine. I know there is really not a lot of in depth discussion on these free sites.

 

So I'll just add my two cents to perhaps assist people in playing the game. Pertaining to McVince's comment about playing within the 1's, 2's and 3's. I interpret this as not making bets that a run of 3 goes 4 (3>4). So, IOW, basically only betting for 1<1 or 1>2; 2<2 or 2>3; 3<3. Understand that? So this allows for reduced betting opportunities and makes it easier to guess the bias. One could even just pick one or two bets: bet for a chop (1<1) or a follow (1>2). So you look at the shoe and determine the strength of each run - what is dominant. Do the 1's tend to chop more? Are there dearth of 1's which would suggest betting for a repeat?

Here's a shoe: PPP BB P BBB PP B . . . Some puts a gun to your head and says now you must bet either P or B. What's your bet? LOL - that's following the shoe.

 

I am in full agreement that playing purely mechanical is a quick way to put you in the poor house. I re-evaluate my play after every event. I am also suggesting that a +3 / -5 is a good start for people. I used to play to a +3/-5 and have never a losing month playing that way. I know several BJ card counters who cannot make that claim. As my skill increased, I have increased my win totals and play a different style progression which includes mostly flat betting.

I played a shoe last night at Parx in Philly. I made 18 units. I made 29 bets in a 56 hand shoe (Excluding ties) and won 22 which is a 75% hit rate. I also bet 35 units and won 27 units for the shoe for a total of 18 units all betting within the 87% of where the shoes stay at. The four shoes before that were +11, +8, +18 and +6. I think if a gun was put to my head, I would play it this way but that is just me. Again, I am not criticizing anyone's play if it is working for you. I am completely satisfied with my play and convinced it is the best way of play for me. It is not for everyone and I respect that. If you could beat a 75% hit rate than good for you.

 

Yeah, what the hell was Phil Ivey thinking when he was edge sorting with a legitimate edge against the game when he could've just followed these idiots here and never get in trouble. Here you go Ivey!!!

 

Apples and Oranges. As a BJ payer who was barred from BJ at FXWD I can tell you that 1)paying a purely mechanical game has it's advantages and 2) like my old mentor said - 90% of GOOD card counters either go broke or get barred. Barred because they don't haVe a good enough "act" (me I guess). Broke because they don't have the BR to withstand the swings.

I'm pretty sure lots of regular players could exhibit the same shoe wins. This is the Internet. Anything can be said and from time to time folks will "share" such. But what's the point without backing it up with some documentation or understanding? I hope you are not offended by that comment. It' just that these kinds of posts can be reasonably understood as self serving. This is particularly true when it comes from an individual who beloongs to a pay site and "may" have other motives.

It would be more appropriate and accepted if one were to explain the workings behind the statements.

 

Well, you are right and if I was looking to sell you something and made those bold statements then maybe you would want to see proof of my winnings. I am neither trying to sell you anything or give you anything. I really don't care if you think my way of play is good or if you think it sucks. As far as BJ, I was making a point that I have a higher winning % than most card counters. I play golf with one of the best BJ players in the world, some of his guys can't beat my win %. Again, I hope I don't offend you but I really don't care if you believe me or not. I answered a question from someone who asked me first.

 

JBS,

Are your mother and father cousins? You must be inbred with your posts.

 

WOW!
did he tell you that or was there some kind of "BJ World Contest" we haven't heard of? But thanks for sharing your street cred. Anything else you want to beat your chest about?

 

You picked the fight, I ended it.

 

OK - I said my piece. I don't need to beat it to death.