Baccarat Beatthecasino.com is a joke... watch their youtube videos.

I happen to know McVince personally, and the stats that he is quoting are real numbers. I play in the same style as he does and achieve similar results. A 75% hit rate is excellent. PA (player advantage) of 30% is mind boggling, (compared to a 1% advantage in BJ) but not for us, for us, it’s a common everyday occurrence. Maybe if you knew that McVince plays and continues to play at least 5 practice shoes on his kitchen table for every shoe he plays live in the Casino, everyday, you would appreciate how experienced he is.
Have you ever seen these motocross riders who balance their bikes in railings and hop around on the back wheel, if you didn’t see them do it with your own eyes, you would not believe it. But those guys have practiced thousands of hours to do what they do. It’s the same with Baccarat. There are techniques that we use combined with experience in knowing the “flow of cards”, this takes years to master, but we have guys that do it everyday. It’s hard to believe what I’m saying unless you witness it firsthand. But at the same time, we really don’t need to prove it or share our secrets. We are not selling anything. Moreover, it took a lot of time to get to that level of play. Why should McVince or anyone disclose their methods?

 

To piggy-back Roubacc, I don't think there is more of a student of the game than our own little group that consists of four players from around the world. We chat every day about this and that. The foundation of our game is similar but we each play slightly different from one another. I really wish the moderator of this site would take down this thread. It is very offensive to me as I am sure that it is to Roubacc. The guy that started this doesn't even post on this anymore. Our forum is no joke. It consists of about five or six players that make and have made a boat load of money beating this game. Someone asked me to provide the reasons why I bet in the shoe that I provided. With all due respect to everyone, my allegiance is with BTC.

 

Great thread. Where is the original starter of this????

 

With some time on my hands, I decided to spend the last few days trolling through as much Baccarat related stuff on the net as I could find.

*Betselection forum
*Baccaratforums on the wayback machine
*Beatthecasino
*ellisdavisrocks or whatever it's called.


Some interesting characters who pop up on nearly all of them but it's hard to read too much into what they say and if they are genuine or not.
I have to be honest and say just about the only guy who looked like he genuinely wanted to help and give sound advice based on his actual research / playing time was Archer/Jimske who I noticed posts on here as well. Thank you sir for all your efforts. A lot of the rest is just ego driven ranting with a lot of blinkered and biased opinion. It makes you think because at the end of the day it's just you vs the cards no matter what you read or study. The Macau Casinos alone generated 33 billion U.S. Dollars (gross revenue) on the game of Baccarat in 2017. We really are up against a monster. It might pay in the long run to be more friendly and helpful towards each other.

 

Nice post Jimske..I would bet 1for the run (Banker)

 

Eugene, very nice post. You are right where we all should be nicer to each other.

 

I believe BTC is just a marketing website for those people still have hope in making money out of baccarat. It is fine if people want to pay then find out it is not working to them. The thing is I don't think their winning rates or statistics, if they have, is genuine.

 

Mr. Lani, you couldn't be more wrong than you are with your latest post, not your recent posts. At one time, there was a self anointed guru of the game that would come out with a system a week using cookie cutter/boilerplate language about this is the best system ever created etc. That self anointed guru left BTC, started another forum, left that forum to create another forum and now returned to the first forum that he created after BTC (I know, confusing).

Today's BTC is a group of professionals as well as those striving to better their games. They have a core group of rock stars in the game who guide the others.

I am in agreement that a 100% mechanical game will not beat baccarat but a 85-90% mechanical game will beat it. Once you have raised your game to the talent that you will beat 8 out of 10 shoes on a consistent basis, you need to keep that method of play and use it for 85-90% of your game. It is that 10-15% of the game when it is a struggle where the game becomes subjective.

Because Baccarat is (discounting ties) a 50/50 coin flip, there are ways when you can win 8-10 shoes on a consistent basis. Of course there will be times when you win 4 out of 10 and other times you will win 13 out of 13. I say this because the TWO MOST IMPORTANT things to remember if you want to play this game either seriously or for a living is this:

1. Forget about daily profits. Treat it like a paycheck. Don't extract any profits until the 15th and the 30th of the month. Doing that will hopefully absorb any losses you will have.
2. Keep a strict money management wins and loss rule.

One of the biggest mistake gamblers (I am not a gambler, I am a player) make is that they set unrealistic goals. They purchase a system that promises them a +100 unit win every time they play and believe it or they think they are much better than they are and want to win 20 units when they are having a hard time winning 5 units. Take a long look in the mirror, check your ego at the door and do a test out of your game. Play 100 practice shoes, play them until the end, average out your wins for the 100 shoes. If your average wins is 10 units then your win goal should be 8. If your average wins are 5 then your win goal should be 3. Everyone needs to realize that you are playing for real money. This is not a contest on who is the best player, who can win more units etc. Take your small win goal and move to another table. In a month or two, do another test out and I would almost guarantee that your win average will be higher.

Cheers.

 

What a complete, absolute load of horse manure!!

 

I read on the other forum that the owner of BTC I think his name is Keith, tried to get an arrest warrant and had the police involved trying to get the other Forum owner and moderator arrested last year!!!! Lol! !

 

You like to bait me. Not happening. The only time you post is in response to me. I wish you were near NJ. I would find you.

 

Surely and hopefully you are playing the game with a profit in long term. I am just not convinced if I have not tested it.

 

You got to be referring to Berg. I know who he is. He's a waste. I put him on my ignore list a while back.

 

Nice to see McVince back in the mix. A serious player no doubt.

So whee is his site if you don't mind?

Forgive my laughter! Rock star is generally not a self proclaimed designation. Kind of like making up a nickname for oneself! LOL

Stop right here for a second. You've just intimated that you can win 85-90% of shoes with fixed bet placement. No? Or is it that the last two losing shoes will ruin your profits of the first 8? I think a clarification is needed.

IMO the last bit is good advice in general BUT it is predicated on assumptions that may not fit every player. Suffice to say different players have different goals generally due to time and money.

 

If you are referring to me as Berg, Berg is the ending of most Jewish names like Steinberg, Weinberg and so on names like that!

my name is spelled, b l e r g. It is my real last name and I'm far from being of the Jewish decent although I've had a lot of Nathan's Hot Dogs at Coney Island cuz I grew up in the projects in coney island, just on the other side of the tourist trap thank you

Reality it seems no one likes to hear especially the next person that believes he's the wizard of odds who runs BTC, lol!

 

Hello Jimske, I see you are a serious player so you will appreciate the discussion. I don't think some of the contributors on here are productive to the forum so I wouldn't address their questions. I will address yours.

So whee is his site if you don't mind?
I would rather not say. You could find it with a little bit of an effort but rest assure, it is not worth your time.

Forgive my laughter! Rock star is generally not a self proclaimed designation. Kind of like making up a nickname for oneself! LOL
They don't refer themselves as that. That is something that I refer to. BTC has a group of three or four players that are probably some of the best in the world. They are world class players who are complete authorities on the game. Some are more reserved than others where the
"Walk the Walk" as opposed to "Talking the Talk". I don't know of anyone being backed off in Baccarat like BJ but one of the BTC players were cut off any comps by one of the biggest casinos in the world. That is a rock star in my eyes.

Stop right here for a second. You've just intimated that you can win 85-90% of shoes with fixed bet placement. No? Or is it that the last two losing shoes will ruin your profits of the first 8? I think a clarification is needed.
No, you misunderstood what I said. I said that when I play, I play 85-90% mechanical not 85-90% of the shoes. I am confident enough in the foundation of my play where I can rely on it playing 85-90% mechanically. When things are not working out with my mechanical play, then I will have to rely on other stuff. I have a very low win goal/stop loss where it doesn't matter much. Complete disclosure, if I am playing a full shoe I can guarantee that I will have to jump into my bag of tricks and divert from my mechanical way of playing and that is the reason why I don't like playing a full shoe.

IMO the last bit is good advice in general BUT it is predicated on assumptions that may not fit every player. Suffice to say different players have different goals generally due to time and money.
Absolutely, but for most gamblers those assumptions are not a true gauge of their play which is going to cost them a lot of money. When I say a "Test Out" I mean play 100 shoes on Wizard of Odds or practice shoes or if a member of BTC, Strategic Baccarat whish contains over 5,000 real shoes from all over the world.

To quote an old song from the 60's or 70's "I never promised you a rose garden". This stuff takes work. The hard work that I have done and you have probably done. People on here, BTC and all the other forums want something for nothing. They want to learn from guys like me, other guys on BTC, you and all the other good players. They want to reap the rewards from all or our hard work without putting in the work themselves. I am sure I am hitting a nerve with some people and my response to them is.....who cares. If your wife, husband or significant other has not complained that you are practicing too much or you are spending too much time on the computer studying baccarat, then you have not put in enough work studying the game.

Shortly after I post this, JBS is going to come on to say this is a crock of crap. JBS is a nothing in this game and should be removed from this forum because he is an idiot and produces nothing.

 

No, was not referring to him. I am referring to JBS.

 

Sucker are paying money to win at a game of LUCK. LOL.


Beam Me Up !

 

Surely the "rock stars" being banned from playing have some parting knowledge to give the paying customers.

 

I hear that Keith over at BTC has really screwed the pooch by kicking out this group of serious players because they were not supportive of Keith's new emphasis on using negative progressions. In his stupid youtube videos, the guy brags about BTC as a club where players share different views, but it now seems there may only be room for HIS view. McVince, you are at BTC -- can you confirm if this has happened?

I've even heard that Keith has decided the game can no longer be beat other than by math -- just bet banker and use a negative cancellation progression with like a 500 unit session bankroll. If this is true, he may as well close up shop No one would pay a subscription for access to this "valuable" information LMFAO.