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There are ways to beat the game. Seeing the BTC forum, and some of the players I've seen, I don't think it can be taught. I think players have to pay their dues , work through it and find a way to make a way.

 

Something that cannot be taught or learned suggests some unexplainable talent is involved.

 

I think we’re in agreement on what the skill actually is, and it certainly isn’t the skill of choosing Player, Tie or Banker.

 

I would agree. I have played almost every day for 10+ years. What I know now took me many years of watching others who were winning, watching the board, seeing the numbers. You begin to see things that most don't look at. Definitely have paid my dues + some.

You can make a living playing this game, but it takes a strong level of discipline that most don't have.

 

Amen brother

 

You want get much of an argument from me on that. It does take study and practice. However, there are ways to win by following specific strategies or systems combining betting, bet placement and money management. Different people play differently.

I made a comment about money management above someplace and gave an example. Just wanted to state that that was an example. Money management can mean a lot of different things. It can even mean not betting at all for instance.

 

Bet selection ? Lets take an example

You chose your strategy and started to play.
You are up and down up, down and at the end it wipes you bankroll.
Now you are thinking if this didnt worked, oposite of this is what works right, because it just wiped my bankroll.
You start to play with you new system, and you are up, down and then your bank is gone.

So whats wrong here, is it your bet selection or is it you?

 

It is neither the bet selection or you. It is the house advantage.

 

Blitz,

That is a great question but the answer is difficult. I hope this will shed some light to your question.

You purchase a system. There must be something in the advertisement that caught your eye and pushed you over the edge to purchase it.
1. How simple it is to learn.
2. You can make a gazillion dollars.
3. All the references included on how easy it is and how much money they are making.

I can go on and on. I am speaking through experience and everyone on here because those are the things that attracted me to joining BTC and purchasing their systems. They provide you with the illusion of wealth and an easy life. There inlies the old saying "If it were that easy everyone would be doing it".

I think most of the systems out there could probably hold their own in real play. One flaw in most systems is that it requires a negative progression to make money. If you need a negative progression to make money then you need to question your play. Now that is on the systems side, now the player's side.

The player is probably putting the system into live play too soon. Take your last twenty practice shoes that you have played and call it a cycle. Play FIVE PRACTICE CYCLES. In those five practice cycles, if you are not winning at least 14 shoes in those 20 shoe cycles then you should not be putting that system into live play. It is your responsibility to determine if it is the system or is it you.

Another mistake is that players are taking a new system that they probably have not practiced enough and playing live with the expectation of winning 20+ units all the time. It is just not realistic. If you are putting something into live play, your win goal needs to be within reach. Take all those winning shoes from the five cycles. Tally up all your wins and average them out. If in the five cycles your average win is 3 then your win goal should be 2. If your average is 12 then your expected win goal should be 10. Why lower? because you are shooting for a win goal less than your average which means you will win more, way more than you will lose. If your win goal is small, who cares? Winning small 7,8,9 times out of 10 is better than losing.

The above two paragraphs are the main reason why the majority of players lose. The above two paragraphs command you to work at your craft. What I just described consists of hours upon hours upon hours of work, work that the average player does not want to put in. Everything I listed is the exact opposite of the three advertisements that I listed at the beginning of my reply. Sorry players, this game is not easy and nothing is given to you. You have to work and earn it. PAY YOUR DUES.

 

So much bullshits and nonsenses in this thread but I can no longer bother as most cats just ain't never gonna win well and regular, not even if I gave em a winning style on a silver platter with the instructions manual, hey hey.

 

Tank you Mcvince

Great post, and it sure is answer to some of my questions.

But again there is question is there really system alone that gives you edge.

Because like you said, when you start practicing your new system, do you really practic that system or you practic you MM and discipline.

There were many good players on BTC and they all played differently. I dont think that there is that much winning systems. Its more about that you stick with your way of playing whatever it is because at the end this is 50/50 game, and be consistent and find MM that suits it.

 

The one thing I have found with every system is that they were created through different eyes than you. Every system needs to get tweaked, nipped, tucked to fit your comfort zone. The system is the basic template. To answer your question, there is not one system to date that can beat the game alone. It is a combination of hard work, MM and discipline that should be your foundation and the system should be able to compliment your foundation not the other way around.

 

Yup. Round and round we go! System? The connotation is that their are specific rules to follow and if followed will turn a profit. If the system requires subjective tweaks, adjustments or changes then it relies on guessing. Can we guess and win? Sure. The game has statistical limitations and with appropriate bankroll relative to the allowed spread one can win. Win "steady and regular?" I guess that depends on what you consider steady and regular. But make no mistake about it. When we depart from the system rules we got no idea what will happen and are just guessing. At such times we can rely on money management, risk betting, stop play, etc. In that sense I agree with McVince when he states it takes a lot of practice and hard work to implement your system template and understand when and how to deviate from it to profit. It now becomes a guessing and betting game. Focus, discipline and the rest from experience may allow some to profit. However, IMO, this kind of play is still GAMBLING. But show me a profit from 1000 or 5000 live wagers. It can be done. I've kept track and have done it. It's not easy. It's stressful. Not a very fun way to rely on income. I never relied on this kind of play for needed income, just supplement existing sources.

J

 

I fully agree that there is not one system to date that can beat the game alone. We have to make deviations (subjective tweaks) or educated guesses to make it work. There are no specific rules for the tweaks. Some are good in guessing right and others are not.

Dr. J.B. Rhine's experiments have shown that some have ESP and did consistently better than probability dictates. In Dr. Rhine's experiments the subjects made pure guesses.

In this game of Baccarat we believe, we are making educated guesses, that is debatable, since the game is random. Some are good in guessing right and others are not. Some believe that guessing right can be acquired by practice, while others believe that since this is subjective, you can not improve by practice.

If you are guessing right and successful, you have the gift. Summing up, this is a game of pure or educated guessing depending on what you believe.

 

There is much more to winning in this game. Information that I choose not to share on this site. Why? Because I am not sharing valued information on a public site. Just know this, this game can be beat. It takes a long time to get to the level where you can beat the game and it is a journey that has to be taken. Jimske, you took the journey and are reaping the benefits, I took the journey and I am now reaping the benefits.

 

McVince

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Been few months that i sticked to your vinsap, i like it because for me its stress free. I am doing 20shoes season, some of them are 65% but also some are 45%. I would like to exchange few messages with you.

Thank you

 

Can we get some hints to go in right direction

Its been few months that i use your vinsap and i like it because for me its stress free.

I am already doing 20 shoes seasons and some of them have 65% HR. But also there are seasons with 45% and i feel like there is much more room to make progress.

 

In addition to using VinSap, follow the flow of the shoe.

 

I do. Its not that i use it in mechanical way.
I follow what happens on each side to confirm or not bet.

But i feel like when shoe is good you will win it mechanical or with your bacc smarts, but when its bad non of it works. So thats why for me is interesting how to get to 60% HR on avg. To do that you need to do well even in bad shoes.

 

He is gentle, nice snd smart. What is wrong? You scared of success?