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Baccarat Betting Flat: Quest for an Holy Grail?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by soxfan, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Been a while since I pony up the up-date so here it is. I'm still grinding strong now going on a few month 9 hour a day, six day a week so putting about 430 shoe in the books each month. My style is still under-performing my long term expectation of 1.25 units nets, but am happy with capturing just a shade under 1 units nets profits per shoe. Thus far been able to capture over 230ks, tax free cake profits in my pockets. Wosrt case down-draw so far been -77 unit so ain't come close to busting my initial 200 units lifes-time banksroll. So yeah despite the under-performance I've captured profits in excess of 10X my initial starting roll of 20ks. I expect to capture regular in excess of 40ks nets profits per month without ever increasing my bet size of I blacks chip, flats bet. I include the result of a recent stretch of shoe # 2490-2522, inclusive, hey hey.
    +3.45
    6.55
    -4.2
    -1.45
    +5.5
    +1.55
    _7.2
    +6.4
    +4.6
    +1.55
    +7.45
    +7.45
    -6.3
    +1.35
    +8.4
    -4.4
    +3.45
    -5.25
    +8.5
    -.4
    +.55
    +2.6
    +1.55
    -1.35
    +1.5
    -7.35
    -1.35
    -6.2
    +2.65
    +6.5
    -2.5
    -4.35
    +.5
     
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  2. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Winning 1 unit per shoe is NOT remarkable. In fact it's unremarkable. Any experienced player should do quite a bit better than that. What is remarkable (and highly suspect) is the claim to achieve such with a flat bet wagering B only AND using a fixed unchangeable bet selection. Any chosen successful pattern wagering Banker only would be easily discoverable. Here's one for kicks and giggles. There are many others to choose for variations on the same theme.

    Wait for PP and wager B. When B win bet B until lose then wait for PP again. Restart if lose 4 IAR. I ran this for 23 shoes I happened to have lying around on my desktop. I have a small program so it doesn't take me too long to run shoes. Results for 1537 decisions; 789 B and 748 P for (interestingly and coincidentally enough) 51.3% Bankers! 55.1 units net or 2.39 net units per shoe. I found the Holy Grail of Baccarat!!! LOL What happens though, when B gets back to it's EV of 50.7 Bankers???? Hmmmmm.

    5.55
    7.25
    6.45
    8.2
    3.35
    6.35
    3.6
    -1.25
    -4.4
    7.25
    2.45
    10.5
    -2.25
    3.55
    1.65
    -7.2
    -4.2
    10.25
    0.65
    -5.5
    5.45
    -0.25
    -2.35

    Cheers
     
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  3. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    whack-a-mole

    So I ran two more sets of 25 shoes each. Using the same fixed flat bet method. Looooser!!!!!! -49 units on one and almost a break even on another. So good. Now I have one good set, 1 bad set and 1 neutral set. Good enough to change the selection around a few times to see if another selection betting B only flat bet can win.

    Playing this out by hand gives good insight into what each selection loses to. So make adjustment then based on trying to overcome the various nemesis to turn the numbers around. Thus. . . . whack-a-mole! Anytime you plug in one fix another nemesis pops up.

    It shouldn't really be any surprise that this HOLY GRAIL FLAT BET BANKER that soxfan promoting is a myth and deliberate bu ll sh its. Anybody thinking otherwise is drinking the kool aid.

    Cheers
     
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  4. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Bbwwaahhhhhhhh I keep seeing the message askin me if I wanna see ignored contents. How pathetic a cat gotta be to continue to make postings at me, long after I put their dumb, loser asses on iggy, hey hey????
     
  5. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    what nonsense dumb dumb!!!! Pretending you can't see the messages and then commenting on them. Only a fool doesn't realize that all the messages show up if you don't login.

    Anybody who bothers to have read this thread with due diligence realizes from your own testimony and examples that you're a fake phony and a fraud. Worse than a system scammer.
     
  6. JacobBlaze

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    Nice..keep.it up .
    I can get 5 shoes a day live banker only bet 70ish hands, before I start to.zone out


    +4 after commission banker only 20 wins 15 loss

    Bankeronly.jpg

















     
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  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That shoe had a 59% B advantage! How come you only got 5? Should have gotten 12. Post your bet selection.

    J
     

  8. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    It's a sweet proposition and that woulda put 7.3 units nets profits in my pockets, hey hey.
     
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  9. JacobBlaze

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    I wish it was as easy as betting Banker every hand all shoe... Selectively betting every single P to go Banker and every single B to go Banker, both once only win or lose
     
  10. JacobBlaze

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    So.one of.your higher performing shoes,

    Im sorry how many shoes have you played at your online site so far, I know your playing 18 a day? How many hands are in those.shoes? 70 to 78?
    I ask.because there is a casino here that cuts two.decks and most shoes are only 50 to 55 hands, so I can not get full shoe.results etc
     
  11. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, the live dealt Evolution Gaming online shoe I buck up against are 8 deck but they cut off two deck so yer getting about 70 hand per shoe, including tie. My best shoe so far has been +21.3 unit but vast majority of shoe gonna be less than 5 unit+ or- , hey hey.
     
  12. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    that's an easy selection to figure. 1000 wagers. 507 B and 493 P = 14 gross units less 25.35 tax = loser.

    I think you need to get 513 B and 487 P to just break even. IOW 51.3% strike rate.
     
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  13. treetopbuddy

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    It’s fairly easy to see how Soxfan plays with a little reverse engineering. We’ve learned that he flat bets the BANKER. When PLAYER shows he stops and waits for BANKER to show and resumes flat betting BANKER until PLAYER shows and then stops waiting for BANKER. He doesn’t get burned by the shoe that’s kicks out lots of PLAYER/PLAYER runs. Positive/Negative progressions eventually take all the money. IMHO.
     
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  14. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I loke the above post and agree with the method .
     

  15. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Nope. Go ahead and play 19891 from Shoe A Day thread. You got to get 2.3 units net.

    Anywho the method you describe is a sure loser.
     
  16. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Profits are startin to come strong, now, boy! It took around 2500 shoe but finally got my average nets profits per shoe rate up over 1 unit per. I include the result for shoe #2688-2720 inclusive, hey hey.
    -2.5
    +7.3
    -6.25
    -4.3
    +2.6
    -6.2
    -3.35
    -7.3
    +.65
    +1.65
    +6.55
    +2.55
    +3.45
    +.5
    +5.3
    -2.4
    +.65
    -3.3
    -7.3
    +2.65
    -1.35
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    +4.55
    -.4
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    +6.45
    +14.3
    -9.25
    +3.45
    +5.55
     
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  17. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Really? I said it before and I'll say it again. The only thing remarkable about this IF it's true is that it's a flat bet fixed bet selection using exactly the same rules on every shoe.

    As Treetopbuddy mentioned above it should be fairly simple to reverse engineer a shoe and determine what the selection is. After that use the same selection on a couple of his other samples and you'll see he's blowing smoke up your ass.

    Cheers
     
  18. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    And yeah, a little critical thinking might go a long way to get beyond the BS.
     
  19. treetopbuddy

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    . BPBPBPBPBPB etc. could really clip Soxfan….cost him some serious cake if I’m understanding his style. This is when Soxfan has to resist the temptation to use OG or other progressions to recapture lost cake.
     
  20. treetopbuddy

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    I’m heartbroken. Back to TurboG with the law of the third.
     

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