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Roulette Biased historic

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Sharptracker, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Active Member

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    On average, how many biased numbers you use to find on a wheel? Couldn't it be good to combine with Vb?
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Yes both is a great combo, but not every wheel is good for vb. Not every number that hits as a bias number is truly bias because of something that's wrong locally with that pocket or fret. Sometimes the real cause of the bias can be several pockets or half of a wheel away. These types of bias can cause a very difficult to predict type of ball scatter that's not ideal for vb.
     
  3. Sharptracker

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    Thanks a lot for the time spent! if i think about something else i'll ask you. Btw great tool that you have there!

    See you
     
  4. ybot

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    I have got Laurance's biased wheel report and talked to him many years ago
    Surely, he did not tell all we wanted.
    Both Caleb,s and math way are mandatory to succed
     
  5. Sharptracker

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    @Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Sir

    Is it possible to test something with a triger on your program or we must play all spins when we test something?
     
  6. Sharptracker

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    If you can please try to test it on a biased sample... Thanks

     
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    What do you like to test? you can program to play after a number hit or not.
    When youtest single number you could easily mix hot with biased, the key is to know what conditions work and when, there are at least 6 conditions that might alter you data
     
  8. Sharptracker

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    Could you name them?

    By the way it is a little system here like play the last three to bet, if i'd bet, i'd bet a single number, i'd wait it to be 2-3 times in 20 spins (speculate here that conditions are with me) to try an agressive martingale on it for few spins...
     
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    sharptracker, about your system 32 5 7 32 and you play 3 spins. Caleb has tested playing 3 and 5 numbers(last hit)
    Playing the way you suggested must lower HE to 0 or get advantage when you play a biased wheel, no matter you know it is biased or not.
    It could also help at wheels which throw always to one direction, it could be a signature related too.
    Playing this way only lets you lose less or win less. When your wheel is strongly biased it gets better, but, volatility is not so wild
     
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    This system is like playing hot numbers, I would place it by Gamblers fallacy

    There are Conditions working , some of them you might know, others dont'\
    VB and biased players know many of them, to start about : wheel speed, ball composite and size, barometric pressure and humidity, day of the week far from the last cleaning All this only for dealers wheels
     
  11. Sharptracker

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    Sharp, I will have a look at Caleb's idea, he is always one step(or ten) ahead us
     
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  13. Sharptracker

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    Here's a chart where in column B you got numbers from 0 to 36 then you got for every numbers a line where it reports at what spin the number came out and it is green when the number came out 3 times within 20 spins.

    If anybody could give me data of 1K or more spins of a biased wheel that i can run into the simulation to compare it to random data.

    Capture.PNG
     
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  14. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Sharp,

    I've got what you want. If you'd like to see the results over much larger samples, then I can help you out. I can run the sims demonstrating betting the biased numbers only if they've shown X number of times in Y number of spins, etc. I've been down that road, and yes, biased numbers do tend to clump when playing conditions are favorable. The downside is that you're reducing the number of spins that you bet and you reduce the number of hits. More specifically you reduce the number of units that you will win.

    The solution to optimizing the play is to collect better data when tracking such as tracking the dealer's preferred wheel speeds, spin direction, ball, recent wheel cleanings and to learn more about the causes of bias. Rather than necessarily relying on betting only if the numbers have hit over the last 20 spins, focus on their performances over the last 300 spins or the last 1k spins with your best dealers.

    In order to grasp the draw downs of the bias play, run Monte Carlo simulations. Once you grasp the the variance, you'll find that it's much more pleasant to play. You can then optimize your betting by betting a percentage of your bankroll at each spin and worry less about the normal fluctuations.

    Here's a thousand spins for you to test on. Yes, they're from a biased wheel. I have gazillions of spins form biased wheels.


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  15. Sharptracker

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    That is damn cool, thanks a lot!

    Thanks as well for explanations! i'm working on it much, i have also another file which express (live) in "sd" an event that is happening; can be a single and also any pocket's number sector. I'm searching also to compare with a lot of random datas to see what would be the extreme sd (for example 4 spins on 5 spins concerning the same 3 pocket sector, kind of those event) because there is absolutely not parameters that can influence any bias, it will be just variance in pure random data. I do believe that some parameters or combination of parameters are influencing outcome...

    This is the road i'm on currently :)
     
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    Yeah i think you're right, i've tested but variance is too close... without any parameter that can influence data i found some 1K data stronger that your sample.

    How many spins do you need if i take wheel speed/direction of the ball/kind of scatter. Do you have any file to report those kind of data?
     
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    Sharp,

    I suspect that you thinking way too short term. In a spin sample as small as 1k spins, you're not going to immediately know which numbers are the best ones. That wheel may look weak to you, until you see the entire spin history on the wheel. The wheel is quite biased. How many spins are you tracking?
     
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