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Baccarat Can anyone on this forum give a winning system?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Johndepz, Nov 27, 2023.

  1. porky

    porky Active Member

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    I have not got that many posts... Probably not even close. I was not to crazy about puting it together online but why not?

    You may have to read this a few times and you will definitely have to practice. But it is worth the time and effort. You can pick your plays at a glance.

    First...Most basic bet selections work out to fifty fifty. Instead of picking one why not pick two that complement each other


    Set your card up vertically. The first two columns is P and B. Your next two is your bet selections. The first of the two is balanced. Tracking it with a mark for if the last four are two players and two bankers or four players or four bankers. I know the four is not balanced but for the sake of tracking count it that way. The second column is DBL decision before last. Both these bet selctions should already be in your playbook.
    Now there are many times you will look at them and see they are hitting back to back. Hits following hits and misses following misses or singles. You may also see patterns developing. This is nothing new. You may play misses or hits back and forth between the columns. Both bet selections suck by themselves and will win a few shoes here and there but not dominate.

    Now the fun four more columns together. The first two mark every other block on one and every other block on the second. This going down will look like hmhm on the first col all the way down and mhmh on the second col. The last two of the four will be a 2 2 pattern of hhmmhhmm and mhhmmhh.

    Now these four col will be circled as hits being the first col of balanced and the misses being the second col of dbl.....

    Usually well just about always one of the four will not go more than two misses.....Yeah you read that right.....
    I would recomend till you get your legs under you mark of every three decisions. And don't play every hand and look for the one that's hitting like crazy. Play for a hit in 3 rinse and repeat. If it does go past two if your lucky it can split the line at3......

    Your money management can be 1 2 I prefer this most of the time I cant stand sitting on my hands with wlwlwl. Also all six col will streak several hits or missess exxcellent parlay system cross the rivers or more. If for some reason it does not perform I would definitely look for the one hit in 3 hands... It hits alot....ALOT!!!

    Oh and just so you know Johno says he invented the bal and I think he did. As for dbl it's been around for years. I have not read or seen anyone else use the zig zag and doble zig zag this way except for a system years ago that zig zagged dbl with odbl and it was shit....

    Run this through shoes till you understand it. I'm not the best at posting coherently...
     
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  2. Jake0628

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    Do you have a photo example you could share?

     
  3. Johndepz

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    thank you hace you been sucsessful doing this
     
  4. soxfan

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    Ok, one more time...ANY style you implement what involve makin wagers on players is gonna be inferior to bettin bankers only, period, end of story, cases close, hey hey!!!!
     
  5. porky

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    This shows you don't have enough knowledge to at least run through this. I thought I was on IGGY please put me back on it. This was NOT for you.......
     
  6. twibble

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    Any chance of an example ? i understand P B balanced y/n otbl then four columns ? If i am being a bit dim so be it.
     
  7. porky

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    For a while now I have believed that 2 bet selections that compliment each other is the key to winning quickly and easily at this game. I have tried a number of different combinations but none consistently held up. A couple I did ok with but had to wait out hands often. I think I understand why this one does. I did my best to explain how to set your card up. I also attempted to explain how to play it. On a really crappy shoe the odds are either the balanced, dbl, or one of the two single z's will hit very strong. The easiest way to explain this is every other one is a balanced and the others are dbl.
    Tracking for dbl, bal, dbl, bal , all the way down. The column beside it is bal, dbl, bal, dbl, all the way down....
    This gives you two completely different looks...... going down the column I mark one left one right one left one right. The marks will be the left side or bal and the unmarked cells will be dbl. I just consider them left and right at that point...

    you asked for a winning system.... This is it.... I was winning consistenly till the shoe shufflers came in. Punk City told me on this site to adapt or die.... I started to go back to basic roots. I learned years ago from Johno how the game balances out... An using the same patterns I learned from him but adapted them a little differently I finally hit it......

    I sensed a frustration that I was having a while back. I considered Johndepz a funny guy that might need a little help. I did not want to post this for the arrogant "winners" that only use banker. Not counting Punk of course. Opinions are one thing facts are another......
     
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  8. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    PC does not bet B only if that's what you are inferring. This is not to say one shouldn't since Banker loses less than Player. So in that sense, it gives a small edge. But still has a negative EV.

    Cheers
     
  9. Johndepz

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    yea im still totally confused i guess id have to see it in person kind of sounds like somthing beat the casino guys do
     
  10. Jimske

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    I just looked at this. This is as far as I got. LOL I seem to be stymied. Particularly on the "Now these four col will be circled as hits being the first col of balanced and the misses being the second col of dbl....." Columns or rows. Something is wrong with my interpretation. Here is what I put together so far. Maybe this will help?

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  11. porky

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    Sorry not great with computers.... You will have to blow it up...
    First col is marked for balanced and you can see when balanced hits it hits again. Ddl second col Misses or odbl is strong....
    The zig zagging mark in 5 and 6 are marked if balanced hits while the unmarked is marked for the right or DBL hits. Not a super fan of how they performed in this shoe. 7 and 8 offer a decent story with 8 going to 3 hits on time and several single and a double. Perfect spot for shooting for 1 of 3 betting. co 7 not great except for the 10 misses in a row.... I would have hit but late maybe for 5 or 6 units.....

    The thing is at least one of the 3 through 7 will be readable and paying..... You can win with simple trending... If you can't read it at the moment don't bet. If you get good at it you can bet every hand.....

    I didn't grasp all of Jimske's but I love the back to backs in his last two columns. And, how his balanced and dbl ran in that shoe. All you would need is the dbl and the balanced to score quite well add in the back to backs as and if needed and that shoe is straight up money.
     
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  13. Jimske

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    Should be able to enlarge by clicking the attachment.

    Then I thought. . . "complimentary occurrences." He must mean where P & B outcomes converge or overlap with one or more of the 4 columns. So here we see where the Balance (B) and the DBL (D) converge colored in yellow.

    Next we have to add the singles and doubles convergences. I am not sure how to work the chops ((col 5,6) and the doubles (col 7,8). I'll think about it.

    B D.png
     
  14. Jimske

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    Should be able to enlarge by clicking the attachment.

    Then I thought. . . "complimentary occurrences." He must mean where P & B outcomes converge or overlap with one or more of the 4 columns. So here we see where the Balance (B) and the DBL (D) converge colored in yellow.

    Next we have to add the singles and doubles convergences. I am not sure how to work the chops ((col 5,6) and the doubles (col 7,8). I'll think about it. I made a mistake. Hand 12 should be back to back win.
    B D.png
     
  16. porky

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    The way Jimske layed it out is correct. The hits would be circled for a balanced and the misses for a dbl.... It won't let me upload another image. Jimskes shoe was not one of the best performers for this but his last 2 2 col after 4 misses never missed to 3 again.....The next to last 22 only went to 3 misses once. You have to watch as it developes and no you won't win every series.... But you will win more by charting and trending this. It also beats sitting on your hands... 6 bet selections in one.... Looking for dominant, singles, and back to back. You can get onto some triggers that will put you on it before it happens......
     
  17. Jimske

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    Yes, I see the advantage with long chops and long lunch on player or bank putting us automatically on those wins.
     
  18. TLF

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    I haven’t quite grasped how to use this and may not but can someone clarify why the last collumn(8) of doubles begins with mhhm instead of mmhh?
     
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    Are 5,8,24,25 not balanced or am I not understanding the concept of what he is describing as balanced?
     
  20. Zhang Wei

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    What is h & m?
     

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