Sports Betting Can someone explain why ATS is the preferred wagers in Usa ? Is it because it’s a harder bet to win

Just throwing the questions out there. Poster dietz remarked some time ago that any professional sports better ONLY bets ATS . For mine this seems ridiculous as making the spread is just another obstacle to overcome. My reason is if you think say Tampa bay will win over the rams (today, just in the last 10 seconds) why not take the money line? Why possibly jeopardise the win by being cute and trying to pick the spread? Not being nasty, but is it a bragging rite to be able to claim a win on the ATS or something thing more.

The ability to successfully pick a regular 4-8 leg multi is difficult enough at the money line but it is pretty much a no go as a ATS multi. The ATS multi 4-8 leg is possible to achieve at least once over a season but the increase in bet sizing to return a profit gets into the high denominations.

Im able to win on other bet types quite regularly ( in a 4-8 leg multi) and consistently so it seems crazy to me that anyone would risk money on in my opinion a ATS bet.

I am of course open to discuss this thread title topic. I would prefer an explanation other than “that’s how we do it here as a professional sports better” as I believe this was the only explanation I had received when I asked it in another thread this forum previously.
Cheers.

 

Well ?

Nothing from pretty in pink. ?
Nothing from “ back in the day” clown boy boy ?

Really here’s your chance to shine as an AP that’s an expert at sports betting.
Pink ?
Clown?
Nothing?

Oh right is it because there is no information posted via the tip website, cnn , espn that neither of you two Esteemed chock on gagged phlegm AP sports betting “Assfesionals” that you could possibly plagiarise a reply from , you know like your other long winded posts on the other thread ? I think one of the posts from pretty in pink was just a rearranged post from the bleacher report some weeks ago, don’t quote me on that as “I’m not a 100% sure of my facts on that accusation” it may have been an equally prominent nfl website reporters works used.

Nothing ?

I’m happy to post screen shot of last 3 weeks 4-8 leg winner multi that’s NOT an ATS multi in the interest of promoting a interesting and factual reply to the thread question.

No body?
How about you go grifting downtown in hobo vagasvill pretty in pink , get a few blowie jobs done for some cash and purchase a bit of peroxide , dye your hair, become legally blonde and post as an alternate you , pretty in pink. No one would ever guess. Lol.

 

I think that's the only answer they can give. “that’s how we do it here as a professional sports better” lol

 

Yes very scientific, equally as valid as the tony stark line from Ironman 1 , that’s how my daddy did it so that’s good enough for me , lol or something similar.

Surely that’s not the reason really?

 

It's a reasonable question. The most obvious answer is that in general the house advantage is less on ATS wagers versus "window" -- AKA moneyline -- wagers. And that's without factoring in the various ways to reduce the vigorish on ATS bets. For example, you have offshores and the occasional LV brick-and-mortar doing promotional -105 vigorish for a day or overnight for 12 hours on Fridays and that kind of thing. Then you have larger bettors being able to negotiate -105 for themselves, as happens in LV, for example. Then you have certain offshores consistently offering -108.

The "window" wagering of moneylines, when you do the math, takes more of the money per amount wagered. Some books offer comparable or superior moneyline hold for baseball, but to my knowledge it appears to be only for baseball, and only for the games without the larger moneylines.

The other obvious issue is that many of the sports in the states, where college sports is a huge chunk of wagering, have schedules filled with mismatches. Literally half of the games played in college hoops or college football are not (in terms of who will win) competitive games. Nobody is going to bother betting moneylines on these -- no interest. So books would suffer big-time in terms of volume if ATS wagering was off the table. Television ratings would also take a huge loss.

I had not seen this question, as I'm on hiatus from interacting with the bullshitting crowd. Sorry for the delay.

 

I will need to translate this into skipptophian odds as it’s very different to Usa betting price and products offered here compared to your post quoted.
I will post ( in a few days as markets will be more set then ) a few screen shot of the wagering style offers here. They are of course basic in some respects to certain online betting agencies and other online betting agencies offer extensive markets to choose from.

I will post information on college market from the TAB agency and the bet365 agency . We are of course limited to being only able to bet on what is offered here. I’m appalled by the limitations imposed and even more appalled that degen gamblers here bet with the limitations offered, I do digress.

To further discuss your post at a later time as I need to think about your statements. Thanks for posting.
Cheers

 

If the moneylines in other countries are routinely more favorable than US moneylines, then I stand corrected. I have lost track of the general gestalt of international moneylines since Pinnacle agreed to circumvent US bettors. If all international moneylines track like good US baseball moneylines, then (1) above holds no water.

But (2) would, as would the TV ratings problem.

 

From what I see here and have google usa market the money line is different. The odds are more attractive for money line hence I believe , it’s only my opinion, no facts yet , that money line is one of the most popular bets here ( skipptophia) on sports.
I’m aware that when the money line is too short .
A LOT of people I know will take the exotic bets, ATS, 1-12 margins or 13+ , or the under over bet in an effort to get a “perceived” better return. The example being team A to win is paying $1:25 and team B is offering $2:80 , the rationale seems to be why bet $100 to win $25 , when you can build a multi using the 1-12 margin of $2:30 and make more money. As a point we all know a $1:25 rated team/event will win 75%+ of the time so is in fact easy money but it’s only $25 return or they remember at some past event the easy money bet of $1:25 LOST ( happens on occasion) and the bias started to set in. Etc. For mine if the $1:25 favoured team meets my criteria versus the opposite team I’ll take that price, if it loses ( Green Bay vs Detroit , or the Bills lol, this week) that’s just a loss. With adequate seasonal bankroll it’s not an issue. IMO.
My opinion on that is if you have to take a risky bet in order to make a bet on a game you are on the degen gambling pathway. I personally will not take a bet if it’s stacked against me. I will for example wait until next time and see if the conditions favours my selection criteria , if it does I’ll take the wager.

To clarify the above statement of people look for added value by going to exotic bets etc I’m of course mainly talking about those here that use it to bolster the 4-8 multi leg bet they construct. Some are just wild degen bets of hit or mostly miss .

I will post as previously mentioned college football skipptophia odds.

Next round, next week. As I’m a day ahead in skipptophia I will try to post on Wednesday which is Tuesday USA time. This should allow enough time for posters in USA to cross check your markets if your inclined. They will be screen shots of two different betting agency odds. I will post money line , ATS and maybe over unders market. Cheers

 

Here is an example of two online betting agencies here in skipptophia
TAB
NFL


Here is bet 365
NFL

For the NFL both company offers you pick your own line ( ATS) and most games it’s fairly extensive list.
TAB , example


Bet 365 examples


Not sure if these examples help with the discussion.

Next post will be some college prices from the 2 company listed.

Cheers.

 

The college game bet options on the TAB site is begrudgingly bare basic offered.

Historically speaking the TAB was the only legal betting agency in skipptophia. Being a monopoly it ran the race industry and sports industry at its own whimsical tight arse attitude which now it still is in hangover state in a few sports , college football for one example. Until recently it only gave you a handful of college games to bet on and they mostly consisted of the more obscure teams. I had crossed referenced this against the new sports agencies as they become legal here in the last decade or so.

Tab college example

TAb offer 5 markets in total for college games.
The line/ATS you see here IS the ONLY line offered by this company, forcing the punter to accept only that option if they are betting line/ATS
I’m sure the reader is able to deduce that this is a horrible example of a company contrived promotion of degen gambling practices. Yes of course you can opt not to be a member of that betting agency, but many people don’t know any better and are in fact degen by nature. Not our problem.


Here is bet 365 example

As you can see a more comprehensive selection choice from that company enables you to select your own line/ATS bet selection. With effort you can cross match stateside information as the best line price, go to bet 365 and bet that price line as opposed to taking what you are given at the TAB site.

Full disclosure

I do not endorse either of these two companies.

I m only using them as an example for the discussion on this thread.

I DO have a fully funded account with these two companies and received no benefits from discussing their company here this thread.

This particular post should give you the reason and practical example of why you should have more than one account for sports betting, imho.
Cheers.

 

In the interest of this discussion how does the bet 365 screen shot NFL compare to USA prices? this is to establish a base line of Apple is Apple in discussions


Thanks

 

I'm not exactly sure what the "to win" means in your posted example. I'll presume the 1.66 means that the original wager results in a win of .66 of the original wager if you take TB on the moneyline. And taking Seattle results in boosting your original wager by 130%.

When I go to bet365, I get TB -150/Seattle +130 for the moneyline. That's the equivalent of BetOnline's -147/+127. In either case, the house is keeping more money than the $1 out of $21 wagered for ATS bets, or the $1 in $42 wagered for the -105 ATS promo bets.

If, using the bet365 numbers, you bet $150 on TB, then a TB win results in an amount of $250. That's roughly a gain of .67 units. If you bet $100 on Seattle with my bet365 numbers, you wind up with $230, which I am guessing is the equivalent of the $230 listed as "to win" in your bet365 example.

If my presumptions are correct, then the moneylines are roughly the same, which means that they result in the house having a higher hold than with ATS wagering.

 

Yes , “to win” means money line as has been my assumption for some years now.
Yes bet $100 @$1:66 means $166 return on win. $66 profit.

So ATS bettors are just looking for “value” as the money line is offering so little in return?
If so , fair enough .

I would be inclined to not bet that match, week as it doesn’t fit my criteria. To be perfectly clear I’m not a professional sports better nor do I pretend to be. I have established over the years various season bankroll for various sports and I aim to finish in a profit per sport, and have the previous year fund the next years bankroll. I’m extremely disciplined and do not just bet for the sake of betting. cheers

 

I'm not one of those people who thinks value is everything when you're dealing with a game of opinion, but there is an element to this that calls to mind the difference between blackjack that pays 6/5 as opposed to 3/2. The higher hold for moneyline wagers is in the same relative ballpark. Hard to overcome that. Another example would be comparing moneyline holds to -120 lines (as happens sometimes with props) whereas the regular -110 lines clearly provide an easier road.

If I had to deal exclusively with moneylines or -120 ATS odds, I'd simply stop wagering and do other things with my time. It doesn't matter that I've been doing this professionally for 40 years. I have no taste for playing Sisyphus.

 

redietz is an idiot for trying to teach the idiot.

 

Awww Mykey clown bouy bouy “has been” puppet reply. I’m surprised you are using the minimal time you have left in life posting on this thread when you should be in fact optimising the AP advantage of your free “lifetime” subscription on some obscure forum elsewhere. What’s that 69 plus years old , various body malfunctions, aging you at 75-80 years old , ogling under age children. If you health issues don’t get you before the kiddy porn law does then that obscure website ACTUALLY didn’t spend much on your free “Lifetime” for say 6 more months to 2 years tops.
Dream on has been, dream on.

 

Here you go Dietz saving you looking in forum.
Show me where you answered the thread title, thanks.
iI believe post 5 this thread is a close attempt to which I replied you /they are looking for value bets.

My interpretation of value bet is someone making a bet fit a criteria
that doesn’t exist for the simple excuse to place a bet. We call it degenerate gambling here in skipptophia.

Nezt

As I didn’t get a satisfactory answer to this question from the so called “ experts” this forum, I actually googled the answer.

The Ats system was introduced by an American mathematician/ professor earlier in the 20th century. It was to offer a value bet method to induce individuals to bet on football games. He went on to open his own book maker agancey. He was successful. His ATS became the go to betting method it is today.
I am quite sure you didn’t know this, I’m quite sure most just bet that way because their peers, fathers, friends initially bet that way and you blindly accepted that as fact.

We see this type of behaviour across all industries, all cultures throughout the ages. It is still displayed by the “ new martingale” that so many people espouse as being the holiest of grails that gets touted out various forum sites such as this as recently as this past week.
Lol.
You dietz are the victim of cultural abuse. You cannot justify your wasted lifestyle. Unlike your lame ass attempt of apology to me on the others thread you get none from me here. I consider your lame lifestyle choice of a semi average intelligent person as no different to a male prostitute that took money for sex and found it wasn’t a lifestyle to be comfortable with at least not profitable but lazy income stream for a small period of time. Slightly less apprehensible as a AP Tito player .
Lol

 

Posted in error.

 

Punk,

Give it up. You can't do simple math. I mean, really, have you ever taken a probability course? Gambling without being able to do simple math is like sex without another person. You may think you've great at it, but you don't really know what you're doing.

So what's your gambling angle? Non-value bets? C'mon, man, the jargon doesn't work.

Glad to see you've bought a house. Good luck with it. My pipes broke during the big freeze.

 

You poor fool, you are still showing your ignorance, again and again and again .........

Here is a quote That I googled on the interverse that actually answers the thread question, I know you claim to have answered the question BUT in fact you did not.
Note 1
You might not believe it, but it was a former math teacher named Charles McNeil who is credited with conceiving point spread betting. He loved to wager on basketball and football games. But in the 1920s and 1930s, gamblers were limited to just moneyline wagers. So, bookmakers might install Notre Dame as a 4-1 favorite over Army, or USC as a 5-2 favorite over Stanford. At that time, McNeil created a point system to determine, for example, by how many points USC might defeat Stanford. And from his point system, he would decide whether or not to make a moneyline wager. But McNeil also recognized that moneylines stifled gambling. Many bettors didn’t want to risk $400 to win $100 on Notre Dame against Army. He correctly deduced that a point spread betting system would be more popular with gamblers, so he opened his own bookmaking shop in Chicago in the 1940s. He called it “wholesaling odds,” and would rate the two teams to come up with an estimate of the final margin of victory. Bettors could choose either team, based on McNeil’s estimated number, and either take the points with the underdog, or lay the points with the favorite. Chicagoans loved the new form of betting, and his bookmaking operation was wildly successful. McNeil retired from bookmaking in 1950, but the point spread grew to become the dominant way Americans wager on sports.
Today, oddsmakers publish point spread odds on all kinds of sports. The most popular sports are still football and basketball. However, bettors can now make run-line bets in baseball, puck-line bets in hockey, and goal-line bets in soccer.

To continue

Note 2
How to bet against the spread

The point spread came into play to give both sides of a wager an equal playing field. With a regular moneyline wager, the odds might be prohibitive in matchups between two unequal teams. Gamblers are not fond of having to wager $900 dollars to win $100 on an NFL game. However, if the point spread in that game was 13.5 points, and a gambler would only have to risk $110 to win $100, then the wager would be appealing.

Note 3
AND THIS to reiterate YOUR post correctly this thread

To illustrate further, let's look at the betting lines of an NFL match between the New England Patriots and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

• New England Patriots -5.5, -110
• Pittsburgh Steelers +5.5, -110

With a point spread wager, you have a favorite and an underdog, similar to a moneyline wager. However, you're wagering on the difference in points with the final score of the match. That means there are two scenarios of how this bet can play out:

• To cover the spread, the New England Patriots need to win by more than 5.5 points.
• To cover the spread, the Pittsburgh Steelers need to win the game outright OR lose by less than 5.5 points.

When either of these teams covers the spread, it means they would be assigned a win “against the spread” -- in short ATS. If it was the first game of the season, then their ATS record would be 1-0 ATS, which means they covered the spread once and never failed to cover the spread. You will see season records like 7-2 ATS for a specific team, like a college football team, in the statistics. During the season, such a college football team would have covered the spread 7 times, and failed to cover the spread two times.

Note 4

How to read point spread betting odds
With most bet types, the odds are what it all comes down to. You want to shop around for the best lines, and you also want to make sure the odds are the best you can get. With a point spread, the betting odds are usually (but not always) -110. A typical example of betting odds for a football game between the Carolina Panthers and the Green Bay Packers:

• Carolina Panthers -4.5 (-110)
• Green Bay Packers +4.5 (-110)

The betting odds are the same (-110) for both teams.
Thus, there are two components of point spread betting odds. There’s the actual point spread (e.g., +4.5) and the moneyline odds (e.g., -110). When betting on sports, you’ll notice that sportsbooks move their lines now and then in reaction to, and in anticipation of, bets placed by sports gamblers. The numbers are in constant flux, and different sportsbooks will have different odds. As a gambler, you always want the most favorable odds. That's why it's critical to have accounts at multiple sportsbooks. Our advice is to have at least three sportsbooks to give yourself a good opportunity to get the best number. And, ideally, you want accounts at sportsbooks that post unique odds -- that is, they’re not “followers” -- they don’t copy odds from other sportsbooks. The best sportsbooks in this regard are BetAnySports, BetNow, Bovada, BetOnline,and BookMaker.
How to calculate your point spread payout

Note 5
Rank AM v Pro
For many, ATS betting is something done for entertainment purposes. However, we're betting to make some dollars here, so let's get down to business. When you're comparing the odds at separate sportsbooks, you need to determine which sportsbook has the best odds for your particular wager. To calculate your payout, we'll provide you with a short example to illustrate:

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers -6.5 (-115)
• San Francisco 49ers +6.5 (-105)

In the betting lines above, you can see that the Buccaneers are the point spread favorite, while the 49ers are the underdog. However, the odds for both teams are slightly different, as the sportsbook has moved the moneyline odds away from the standard -110 odds to try to attract more money on San Francisco. This leaves you with two possibles outcomes of this game:

• You wager $115 on the Buccaneers to cover the spread. The final score is 24-13 in favor of the Buccaneers, which means they cover the spread. You win $100, and your total payout would be $215.
• You wager $105 on the 49ers to cover the spread. The final score is 20-19 in favor of the Buccaneers, which means the Buccaneers failed to cover as a 6.5-point favorite. This means the 49ers cover the point spread, and you win $100. Your total payout would be $205.

This will be continued in next post