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Baccarat Casino using shoe sensor, save your money!

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by legacy123, Nov 3, 2018.

  1. legacy123

    legacy123 New Member

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    I have been playing baccarat for about 6 and half years and came to a conclusion that casino

    using sensor in the shoes to switch the card, mostly in the high limit 80% of the decision is the last card,

    for example let’s say player draw 2 cards totaling a 3 and banker draws 2 cards a total of 0…..the last card is where the casino switch the cards based on the bets……..

    What I have notice is if you play 20-50 dollars a hand, you will get some good shoes, but when you start playing big around 5k-10k a hand, suddenly you see the shoe get strict, meaning no chops, double dragon and all…..the casino using high tech technology to beat us in this game in the long run, no it’s not the master shuffle machine, it’s inside the shoe, and yes you can win sometimes, but not big.



    Also in addition there is a dragon bet that pays 40-1, if total 3 card is equal to 7 and beats the player, that is also

    rigged, the moment you start playing big on the dragons 200-500 a hand, it won’t never come out unless your playing 5 bucks or 10, the reason, the shoe sensor is doing it’s job.


    and the ones who you see do win, they end up losing a lot of money before. my total loss is around 300k in total, yes i win, but less like 400-500 bucks, but in the long wrong you will end up losing.

    Think about it, it’s a 50/50 game, casino would go bankrupt if that was the case.

    Also just a side note, offer the casino for the cards to be LAYED out first, like example 3 cards faced down in the player side and 3 side cards faced in the banker side, THEN You can place your bets……then it’s 50/50 game, that’s when you can win big and play 5-20k a hand, cause it be fair.


    Anyhow Save your hard earn money guys, i’m just saying this based on my experience for the last few years.
     
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  2. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Just curious about which casinos you play at?
     
  3. legacy123

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    @fathead, mostly in vegas, wynn and most of the casinos there, also hard rock in florida.
     
  4. legacy123

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    i've been to most of the casinos and see the same result on all the shoes, also once the cards are put in the shoe, the sensor calculates all the cards, so it tells eye in the sky, how much dragons, tie's, pandas. Also here is an example how quickly the card is being changed, this is just an demonstration with a click of a button on a cell phone, now imagine the high tech being used now.

     
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  5. fathead

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    I am sure this could easily be done but it would be very risky for the casino. If this was discovered by the State the casino would be in jeopardy of losing their golden goose ... their gaming license.

    It is not really a 50:50 game, baccarat is more like 49.4 to 50.6 in favor of the house. The real killer in my opinion is variance. Even flat betting normal variance can be plus or minus 200 units. From what I have seen, most players don't even bring 200 units to the table and get wiped out at the worse possible time.
     
  6. legacy123

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    Well that's the catch, it won't be discovered cause it's inside the shoe, that's why i mentioned tell the casino to lay the cards out for you and then place the big bets, they will never agree to that, i've seen this game in my eyes long enough and i know how these shoes are operating
     
  7. John Blerg

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    Bullshit

    Complete bullcrap!!!!!!
     

  8. Sharptracker

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    Sorry but i don't believe it either... I think it could be ok with for example an airball machine where air is used... actually it is to give a "more random result" but payout doesn't change but in your case it is more a scam from the casino... And they ll win much more by applying the edge on total bets than cheating...

    That is so true...
     
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    So much is in the casino's favour against the ordinary punter that they don't really need to pull off a stunt like this. They would be found out in next to no time which would be an act of financial suicide.
     
  10. Nathan Detroit

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    Losers are blaming the casino for their losses . Winners are reporting their INFLATED winnings on message boards .
     
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    About what Eugene said, "They would be found out in next to no time which would be an act of financial suicide." Rats are everywhere and they also get paid $ to rat out, so whatever:

    Sammy the Bull made being a rat attractive to the person seeking not to live up to his responsibilities or other liabilities. For those of you that do not know who that was i copied the below from Wiki.

    Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano is a former underboss of the Gambino crime family. He is known as the man who helped bring down John Gotti, the family's boss, by agreeing to testify against him and other mobsters in a deal in which he confessed to involvement in 19 murders
     
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  12. legacy123

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    well then as i said the answers are pretty much there.....if your a high roller, tell the casino to lay the cards out there for you first, faced down and then make the bets.....you will see a big difference and results, wake up people wake up
     
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    It is simply not the procedure... It's like i'd ask to make a game at BJ without shuffle coz i bet big... Why would they accept that ?
     
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    Blackjack is different, well it makes a big difference, if a high roller is going in there and wanted to play 5k-20k a hand, they should agree to these terms, that's when only you know you theirs a fair game being played........most of you thinking it's a fair game cause maybe you guys play 50-100 a hand, i'm talking about the big betters here, majority of them loose cause of the shoe sensor, imagine banker coming 10 in a row ( a steak ) ....do you actually think casino going to pay 100k?....or 6 high rollers playing and playing 10k a hand that would be 600k.....wake up people, wake up and smell the coffee.
     

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    In my experience these 6 years, the moment you go big, like 5-10k a hand, you will win 2 our of 7 hands, majority of the time, i've seen it all.
     
  16. R19

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    ^This

    - You can go review a number of discussions on this topic anywhere such as 'Gaming Gone Insane - Baccarat Edition' over at Bet Selection

    - Ask any gaming regulator what rules surround any aspect of the shuffle, cut and burn card process, and most likely you will find responses ranging from minimal to very broad guidelines. That is, most gaming regulators review are focused on reviewing, approving, and regulating the rules and how a table game is played.

    - My view is that the house could possibly manipulate shuffles ranging from zero influence to full influence. They could spin the frequency and number of high payout bets, and all characteristics of trends if they want to within the gaming laws and regulations. But if they are doing so, it is before the baccarat show is locked and ready for play NOT dynamically on the fly. That is, once a baccarat shoe completes the shuffle, cut, and placement process, it is set. So if they are monitoring how they are fairing in any time frame and want to actively make a game easier or more difficult, they could do it by cooking the shuffle.

    - I have never played the game where there is a lot of space between where the cards are housed and where they are dealt in any dimension. Just because a baccarat shoe has card reading ability, that does not mean that cards are being dynamically manipulated within the baccarat shoe. In fact, typically you should be able to see a good part of the interior of a baccarat shoe as the cards are being placed. Most likely there is no/ very little space between the location where the cards are housed and the location where cards exit the shoe. There is also typically the opportunity for a player to cut the shoe.

    - The levels of bets you speak of is not big at all.

    - You should spend some time shuffling and playing your own baccarat games, and you will see. Select any shuffle, cut, and burn card process you like as long as it is thorough. I do think that some dealers can complete a very crappy hand shuffle process.

    - I have repeatedly asked around about hold percentages in baccarat and why they change over time, and never really got much of an answer. But any stats and research assumes that the input data is accurate and real and that the whole process surrounding the review and analysis of stats and research is accurate and real.

    - You can negotiate any sort of game arrangement that you want that is deemed fair. If a house can offer it within the gaming law and regulations, AND wants to then maybe they will do it.
     
  17. Sharptracker

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    Such cases could happen and theorically it should be anticipated with the size of the BK to open those kind of tables...

    But if you're so certain about it and if you play those bet size, it shouldn't be a problem to travel where the conditions are better.
     
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  18. Nathan Detroit

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    R19 You being such a Baccarat High roller jet over to Monaco and play at one of those casinos there . You can always transfer the money from your Swiss bank account . No sweat .
     
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    Willy Allison is another of these bullshit "gaming consultants" suckering and scaring casinos into buying his bullshit seminars in "game protection." This shit in this video isn't happening anywhere!
     
  20. R19

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    I didn't say I play that size. I only play with Trump and Putin privately.
     
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