Craps Casino whistle blower gets fired over bad dice!

Casino whistle blower gets fired over bad dice!

This made the Sunday newspaper today in Ohio ... The HorseShoe is managed by Caesar's .... Why were these bad dice even allowed on casino property or in casino inventory which is a felony in most states -- Casino Dice WhistleBlower Fired!

This story is by Dan Horn

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2015/08/07/workers-say-casino-cheated-pay/31295401/

While this article may not interest all of us craps players the below quote will.

While all of you guys laugh there has been one other case against the casino there with bad dice on the table, but the gaming didn't do anything about it. See this thread:

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/22507-gaming-commission-comedy-of-errors/

So the boxman says that the dice were out of balance and gaming was called! But gaming did nothing about the dice being out of balance.

So the guy that filed the case was told to take it up with the casino.

Even though they have rules about how the dice should be made, gaming just doesn't care about the patrons of their casinos?

So now you have the above story that is breaking that the casinos are using bad dice and a guy got fired over blowing the whistle on them! Maybe that answers all the questions as to why nobody has ever came forward that worked for the casinos with the bad, cheap dice that they are using?

It will be very interesting to see where this new case goes if the newspaper follows up on the story!

We know of one other complaint that was filed against the Ohio casino for using bad or cheap dice if that is what you want to call them.

So now you have a newspaper story and the paperwork about bad dice in the casinos! Do you still think that gaming boards are there to protect the players or the casinos?

Now here is the one question I have for all of you guys that say a casino would never use bad dice. What were those bad dice even doing in a casino if they weren't going to use them? My case should be put to rest on that question! You don't have something that is illegal to use in your casino if it can cost you a fine if your not going to use it!

 

I agree if the dice are bad thet whould be returned to manufacturer or in the gift shop for sale.

this is why I laugh at the aive people who say...."why would a casino need t cheat...theyalready have the house advantage"/

this goes for both online and brick and mortar.......everyone always wants more money.

thats why I am mostly into holdem and sports betting.

 

Casinos are full of rouges, and some actually work for the casinos. Heck, I ran across a rouge dealer at the Craps table who constantly short paid me, many times would skip paying me and insisting he paid me when I complained about not being paid. When I would throw the dice he became Mr Heat when he had the stick and was all over my ass. And why? Because he tagged me as an Advantage Player in his own mind and was gong to show me who the boss is.

It is true the dealers get like 1/1000 of the table drop as a bonus, however that can be like an additional $23 a day. Not much but if the drop goes higher the payouts get higher, also there is bonuses for the management based on table drops too. The incentive is there for the dealers to ensure the house wins, though it is to little of an incentive for them to actually go as far as cheat for the house.

I have had Indian Casino dealers tell me that they now the dice are biased "runs cold" as they say, and that all the dealers know that and the casino especially knows that. I figured that some casinos simply don't care where there is no law to say they should care. in the case of Ohio, the casinos don't care if the dice are good because clearly the regulators don't care and don't want to even deal with it. However, the State gets quite a bit of revenue from the casinos, so the Not Caring is in the interest of the State as well.

That is always the dangers of when you tie in funding your government services on Gambling regulations. the need to make the money is always there and the regulators tend to turn a blind eye towards a lot of hinky and unethical crap the casinos pull with the squeezing the players for more money.

Just get use to this, cause there is more where it comes from....

 

Yeah, Mark V, How TRUE that statement Rings. Unfortunately my closet casino happens to be an Indian Casino. I know, I know, I know!! Superrick has warned me countless times NOT to indulge with the Indian Casinos, but it's either a three hour commute Versus a Six hour commute (Next nearest Venue is Tunica). After Knowing what these casinos will PURPOSELY do to increase their "Bottom Line", it makes you apprehensive to play Craps at any tables with a higher than $5 Minimum. Truly sad that you can't even depend on getting a "Fair" Game these days. GONE are the days when you can CONFIDENTLY place a $360 Inside Bet, or a $180 6 & 8, & know that at the Very LEAST....... You're getting a "Fair" Game!! Those days are now a thing of the Past. Maybe it's best to continue with my "Simulated" Sessions in the comfort of My home on the 14 Footer, Huh? LOL

 

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I have the same dilemma too. The Indian Casino is an hour and 10 minutes drive where Reno is 9 hours and Las Vegas is 17 hours away by car.

The State does not tax the local Indian casinos but I suspect there is some backroom agreements where in that the Casino will donate to charitable projects where the State, or its elected representatives, has interest in. I know for a fact that the casino had not made profit since the start of the recession and it was only in March of this year that they where no longer bleeding cash. I am guessing the casino has quite of debts and obligations leaving them with razor thin operating margins. It is possible to get the advantage at the casino, though it is not easy. Hole card watching is probably the only means other than a promotion where at 8x points some Video Poker games are AP, thought is is a very rare promotion and you have to qualify to get it.

I do play at the Indian casino frequently if to just keep my skills sharp and to network with other gamblers. I don't play more than table minimum bets and I don't have any delusions about who has the advantage in that casino!

In Oregon gambling is everywhere. The State Lottery has its keno, its lottery tickets in every supermarket. And the bars and these 'micro-casinos' with the VLT's have video poker, Keno, and slots all with a return rate of 91% (very bad in my opinion). Though the State loves the VLT's because of the cash it rakes in and I hate them because of the crappy return rates really hurt gamblers, and those who are addicted can get hurt far worse then if they where in Las Vegas.

 

Well, Mark V, my new strategy for craps is Passline with 1X odds ONLY!!!!! If the hand seems to Develop, I'll go "Inside" for 1 hit ONLY To cover the expense of the passline bet with odds. If I hit the point, I win my Passline with Odds, plus the Inside bet. If I don't make the point, I "Break Even" for the Hand. Primary concern being ONLY to get a free Passline with Odds bet from the One Inside bet that is Placed. However, I do not place a Inside bet every hand. sometimes I just simply let the Passline with odds play out in it's entirety. If I start to do poorly on the Passline with Odds bet, I'll intermittently toss in a Inside Bet to recoup The Passline with 1X odds bets that I've lost along the way. A very boring way to Play, but it's better than having your asshole ripped out with substantial losses by placing 2-6 place bets Every friggin hand. The beauty of playing this way is that if you get, Let's say.... Three Passline with Odds losers in a row, you can start doing two inside bets & down to recoup losses. Only problem is that we all know what happens when you leave that Inside bet up for too long! LOL

 

I have a question for all of you guys that work in the casinos. If the casinos were using unbalanced dice would you report it to the gaming board. If there was no doubt about the dice being out of balance, and because of those dice your tokes went down!

 

In this day and age of the corporate run casinos and all of their pencil pushers that are nothing more than paper hangers, that hang that degree on the wall and then do some of the stupidest things that any casino can do. Why is it that craps players can't grasp the fact that casinos are using nothing but cheap dice in some of them that are out of balance and figure out what that would do to the outcome of the game!

Are all craps players that gullible where they believe everything that these on axis craps boards put out about the so-called bad dice that are now out there in play?

You have to remember when this was first brought up the guys that were telling everybody about them only was saying that the dice were out of balance. Those on-axis craps schools were the ones that started saying that the dice were loaded, which by the way they are not!

Players have to us some good old common sense if that is really possible in this day and age! Why would anybody listen to an on-axis craps school that makes their money off of teaching their students to become so-called DI? If there were these bad dice on the tables they couldn't sell their BS to their students!

 

When anybody brings up the bad dice there are always going to be individuals that will say there is no way only because of their heroes, that run some DI school has told them so, but what do you expect, they are so used to reading fiction you could tell them anything!

Back in the 30's it was legal to sell all kinds of what they called novelty dice. This dice could have been anything from loaded to miss spots ,but there were a lot of other dice that they used to cheat, you had passers, miss outs, tappers, concaved, transparent flush spot loads, electric dice, shapes, flats, bevels, suction dice, capped dice, slick dice, trip dice, razor edge, rollers, percentage, tops and bottoms and I'm sure some other ones that I never heard of.

A good book that everyone should have is Scarne on dice he explains the different type of dice they used for cheating.

Now the funny thing is that you can still buy loaded dice! Take one guess where at without going on the internet trying to find out where. It might shock you when you find out where you can buy them!

Man always finds a way to cheat, we are lazy and want to win at any cost. The funny thing about craps players is they will believe anything a so-called expert tells them.


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