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Roulette Coding and share the data for Even Chance?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by hotjohnnn, May 11, 2022.

  1. hotjohnnn

    hotjohnnn Member

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    Hi, can anybody with coding skills run 1 million spins and share data like this RX picture?

    That would be very helpful for me with 0 coding skills.

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  2. gizmotron

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    This is good and bad. It's good that you want to know if there is a way to unravel an identifiable weakness in large numbers. Only problem is that there isn't. All your investigation will bring you to that conclusion. So that's the bad news in your investigation. Go ahead. Find out convincingly for yourself.

    On the other hand there is the good news. There is a way to beat the Even Chance games in the short term. Instead of looking for a mathematical advantage condition you should investigate looking at coincidences. It's a coincidence that your guessing will go through phases at times. So observation of conditions and exploiting these can produce a tactical advantage. You then use that conditional advantage just like card counters use the mathematical advantage.

    This takes power from within though. You must ignore the math. Math can never tell you when an advantage condition will start, how long it will last, and when it will end. You don't need any power to predict the future either. You just have to know when you are in an advantage condition. Math oriented players will try to tell you that you can never know this. Yet, in all the years that I have been playing, the pit bosses know when you are in the advantage condition. They are paid to know it. It's their job to watch this closely. They don't have math on their minds. You should, hopefully, get tired of searching for a math advantage in games like Roulette, Craps, or Baccarat.

    It's a stage. All new gamblers go through this stage. Most quit before considering coincidental awareness. There's no magical power behind this. I'm just attempting to save you a lot of time and trouble. Most people must investigate the math approach first. Most of them give up and decide it's impossible to beat an EC game.
     
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  3. hotjohnnn

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    Thanks for your answer and first of all i m not new to gambling, do not let my member registration date fool you.
    Funny thing is that i was searching for years to beat any game without any math and that was a mistake because it never worked out.

    I have read your RR thread and some you wrote over there are true, BUT there is no way at least for me to figure out when this will happen.
    I guess you take the risk for 1 unit and if you are kind of lucky you hope for a streak.
    If i m wrong please share data that you can exploit almost all the time.
     
  4. gizmotron

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    I look for swarms of things that are coming and going in similar sizes. Like 4 of this and 4 of that. It's swarming in a consistency. Any consistent formation will do fine. So I'm looking for weak sides and strong sides. It's not chaos without form. Randomness shaped forms like that come and go in phases. You must wait for it to be what you like. Then you take a little bite of it. You settle for a little from it. You don't try to gulp down all that is there.
     
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  5. hotjohnnn

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    Understand the principle but without specifics how do we know if we can make money playing like this all the time?
    It s undeniable there is a weak and a strong side almost all the time for the 6 ECs.
     
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    Why don't you just run 1 million spins through RX yourself? Random.org can give you the integers. You might have to compile from smaller samples though, but that shouldn't matter.
     
  7. hotjohnnn

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    I have RX sample but i would like to compare the results with an other different simulator.
     

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    There is also a hell of a lot of logic involved. This baffled me for years because I didn't see how logic could apply to random outcomes but it does. Just tonight I used logic to make a bet and win. There was a long continuation of a certain outcome and logically I knew when this changed that outcome was going to disappear for awhile. This does not always happen but 95% of the time it does. It's a form of gambler's fallacy that something is due. Except it's not a fallacy in this case. That's just an example of obvious logic, there are lots more where it's not so obvious.
     
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  9. hotjohnnn

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    We all can see these kind of situations but the problem is when to jump on it.
     
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    I only need to make one unit so I can jump on it anytime I like. The more units you think you need to make the more problematic your game becomes. Want to become the most hated person by the casino? Have your goal be to make just one unit. It goes against everything the casino stands for. In the casinos eyes you're no better than an armed robber.
     
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  11. hotjohnnn

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    What if you lose that 1 unit though?
    You have to win 2 after that.

    Also playing everyday to win 1 unit you think it s not long term
    but it is because you do it lets say every day.
     
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    It's a guess. If I guess that I will win one unit during a streak where the same dozen sleeps for 10 spins in a row and I place my bet at 5 times into the ten spin streak then I win. If the streak ends on the 6th spin then I lose. I addressed this situation well at the RR thread. This is the only thing that can kill a session and you lose it. A swarm of first try losses will happen. You just need to know that once in a while you will get that. So you learn how to live with it. The best way is not to feed the first try loss streak. Spike waits. I play with the minimum bet until it turns away.

    If you don't know what I mean by a swarm or a slow grind downward of first try loss streak means then there is your issue. It's the single thing that math experts say that you can't avoid. But you can avoid it. You can defund it to a minimum or you can use virtual bets to take all its power to bring about a mathematical expectation to reality. You can change all the odds expectations, still lose the required number of bets, and still take on the casino. It's in the RR thread.
     
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    Lungyeh is another person that uses this. He bets a minimum table bet until he likes what he sees happening. Then he uses a 20 times the base value bet to take on the situation. I like the 20 times the base value bet. It's a nice comfortable attacking the situation value. Can you live with 1 net unit win of $100 up at the end of a session? You can find $5 tables all over the Indian Nations here in the USA. You bet $5 on the best looking strong side until you are in a win streak. Then you bet $100 to win. If you win you are done. If not then you are one step into a losing streak. So you pull back and wait until another time comes.
     
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    There's nothing that can act as "100% guaranteed" trigger... You risk an amount in return for profits....
     

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    Agree but you need to buy value with your money.
     
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    That s actually smart and i thought about it but i do not mind to wait.
     
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    If you're up to bet value, why bother roulette then?
     
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    Because you can create this situation...
     
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    Interesting... I'm all ears...
     
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    Oh no. The horror..


    That's because it is not long-term, you can't live long enough to play long-term. You can only ever play in the extreme short-term, that's the only thing that will ever affect you. The only entity in the casino playing in the long term is the casino and that's because they accept thousands of bets everyday. And even then the long-term numbers might not manifest itself until the third or fourth quarter. A casino can easily lose money in one or even two quarters because it too is subject to the swings of the variance in the extreme short-term.
     

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