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Baccarat Cracked it! Baccarat can be beaten

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by cluedupcity, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. cluedupcity

    cluedupcity Active Member

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    Does not include banker commission, in some baccarat shoes there is no baner commission or half of the win is lost of banker won on a 6 or other number, depends on rules. wagers are placed on banker and player thus any banker commission will be limited, will only count as half to one unit at most at a reasonable stop win. bet size spans from 1-4, (largest bet 4) it's a 1/2/4 most wins are upon first attempt followed by 2nd attempt. (average bet 1 to 2) More successful wins in a row of the 1 to 4. Normally a -7 loss is in isolation meaning seldom does a loss follow a loss and there are healthy lengthy winning streaks. there is a money management tweak option to take advantage of recovery and general flow of the strategy. Did not include triggers in results since these were not needed in profit/loss since relate to actual outcomes, but have noted when they occur relevant to your shoe hand numbers. Tough a loss is -7, strategy has strong ability to recover and go into profit enough to reach a healthy stop win that should be taken in a session/day of playing. Only the fear factor will come into play, but given the above data, fear should not be a barrier preventing profitable sessions from taking place. If the teak was implemented further gains can be made and this tweak will counter losses moreover any groups of losses thus recovery becomes stronger.
     
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  2. cluedupcity

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    727 outcomes were checked. I made 152 wagers following triggers resulting in the profit/loss 85x results you see in the continued flow of when I was up or down. I wagered on average approx. 14 times in each shoe.
     
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    Interesting. Good luck if it works for you. But I don't believe it.

    Mainly because its a negative EV game. Only way to overcome is be superman and see the next cards and or Money Management. You betting more or less on X Event to occur or not occur will revolve as close to 50/50 given enough trails.

    Focus on Losses in a Row and MM only way. Everything else you'll be wasting time. Triggers this and wait for a loss that.... doesn't mean horseshit. You are just delaying the actual loss.

    There is a reason why they have table limits. Martingale is a proven winner given enough Bankroll.
     
  4. valvo

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    It gets up to +19 on shoe 3 then goes to -4, playing to 5 a session you'd win 15 then lose 22 correct?
    What's the win 5 to lose 7 ratio over all your testing?
     
  5. cluedupcity

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    for this 1/2/4 progression strategy it's a win 1 or lose 7. The results are as above thus frequency of wins and losses. The strategy is not meant to be played continually so that profits are lost, but in each session a player should stop when in profit. This is not my flat betting strategy, that is completely different.
     
  6. valvo

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    What method is in the book you are releasing?
     
  7. cluedupcity

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    The first will be this one, and the second the flat betting one. Both will be released next month.
     
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  8. valvo

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    Why 2, surely flat betting would be the only one?
     
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    flat betting one works just fine. I can apply rules of flat betting one to your outcomes and post the results. Then you can compare.
     
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    Why not just have the best?
     
  11. cluedupcity

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    Different strategies suit different players. Some players prefer progression, others flat betting.
     
  12. cluedupcity

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    Flat betting strategy so far about half way into shoe No. 5,

    1+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1+, 2+, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 4+, 5+, 6+, 7+, 8+, 7+, 6+, 7+, 8+, 7+, 8+, 9+, 10+, 11+, 12+, 11+, 12+, 11+, 12+, 11+, 10+, 9+, 10+, 11+, 10+, 9+, 8+, 9+, 8+, 9+, 8+, 7+, 8+, 9+, 10+, 11+, 10+, 9+, 8+, 9+, 10+, 11+, 12+, 13+, 14+, 13+, 12+, 11+, 12+, 13+, 12+, 13+, 14+, 13+, 12+, 13+, 12+, 13+, 14+, 15+, 16+, 15+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 17+,

    most losses in a row was x3, i.e. the 4th bet a winner.
    There is a streak of x10 wins in a row.
    As you can see wins have taken off, thus strategy is powerful.
     
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  13. valvo

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    Hmm I disagree, flat bet and progress that if you chose. Why would anyone choose progression over flat?
     
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    On those results an up on a loss down on win would be good.
     

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    Some players prefer progression because they want to turn losses into wins to try and gain a natural flow of wins. Of course the risks are higher with progression, but in short term play if a strategy over long term shows not many losses in a row then progression is a better option over flat betting because stop win targets can be gained faster when losses come into play. I agree however that using a strong flat betting strategy is a safer option.
     
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    Is your progression method an inferior selection to your flat?
     
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    Here are the second half results, flat betting, picking up from 17+ /

    18+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 20+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 17+, 16+, 15+, 14+, 15+, 14+, 15+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 15+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 15+, 16+, 17+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 15+, 16+, 15+, 14+, 15+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 20+, 21+, 20+, 21+, 20+, 21+, 22+, 23+, 22+, 21+, 20+, 19+, 20+, 19+, 18+, 19+, 18+, 17+, 16+, 17+, 18+, 19+, 20+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 22+, 23+, 24+, 25+, 26+, 25+, 24+, 25+, 24+, 23+, 22+, 21+, 22+, 21+, 20+, 19+, 20+.

    A you can see got up to +26
     
  18. valvo

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    Is each result 1 bet? if so banker commission on 50% correct?
     
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    I wouldn't say that because there are pros and cons with all strategies and my progression strategy is very different, in that is has to be a progression strategy because of the bet selections. Nevertheless, it is still able to generate profits which is the main thing and is still safe given that a lower unit wager can be used by bettor. With my flat betting strategy it works as a flat betting strategy but can also be used with progression, in this respect it is a prefered strategy and you might therefore argue a superior one over the progression one.
     
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    Each result is win/loss profit/loss flat betting only, there will be player and banker wins. Banker commission has not been deducted. Banker commision is 5% of the winning amount. If $10 is wagered, the return is $19.50.

    My strategy is not designed to keep playing without stopping, thus any banker commission is kept to a minimum. There's no point to keep playing going up and down and paying banker commissions, on the way down and on the way up through the waves of wins and losses, this is nonsensical. When a stop win target has been reached the bettor must end the game, stop betting for that session! If the bettor does not take profits, these wins/profits like in any form of gambling can be lost. Profits must be taken! A bettor can take advantage of up waves in future sessions.

    If you're looking for a flat betting strategy that just keeps on winning without losing waves and where no progression is used either negative or positive then this is not it.
     
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