Craps CRAPS Genetics 2015: 36 Chromosomes

Poker Chromosomes: 52
Roulette Chromosomes: 38
Craps Chromosomes: 36
Human Chromosomes: 46

Craps and Roulette do not have a lot in common compared to Cards, Bingo, Slot Machines, Lotto... Once a Dice decision has been made, the next decision is not affected. The House Advantage is still the SAME. The mathematics and statistics remain the SAME. A pair of dice never run out of a number after a decision. Because of this simplicity of outcomes, CRAPS PLAYERS are "encouraged to develop" a System of Play, Bankroll Management or work on dice manipulation called Dice Control / Dice Influencing.

Some Craps Players believe that "charting" previous outcomes WILL predict FUTURE outcomes. I will leave that to those who have trust in this non provable, right or wrong, religious belief that a pair of dice can decide for themselves future dice combinations. Dice are dumb. Players can be... too optimistic.

I have to make the assumption that competent Craps Players have been invited to join this Forum. Time will tell from future posts and threads.

I am a Darwinian Craps Player. The "Survival of the Fittest".
- A tested System of Play
- A Bankroll Management System
- Knowledge of the Dice Pyramid of the 36 possible Outcomes and their Correct Payouts
- Self Control

I am not a Religious Craps Player.
- Dice have no soul
- Dice have no memory
- Dice do not pick the Right Side Player over a Wrong Side Player
- Dice do not like to be F*&$ed with for Dice Influencing, BUT might cooperate... if they are Darwinian

I am a Random Dice Chucker when shooting. I have no incentive to "influence the dice outcome". My System depends on RANDOM outcomes. My experience with Dice Influencers is minimal... When I watch dice being SET... there seems to be very little in positive outcomes FOR ME and the DI's bankroll seems to be changing no better nor worse than my own. Results are all the proof I require. If you can repeat a preference of dice outcomes... over and over... I will be your best buddy!

I do not have a lucky coin, rabbit's foot, lucky tee shirt, hat or pray before each shot. I am not and never have been superstitious. I do not believe in fate to riches or ruin. I am a Darwinian Craps Player.

You might have noticed... I being repeated often. This how I attack a Craps Table and armed with the FOUR Survival of the Fittest qualities. I cannot speak for YOU. But... we all can share ideas and make comments to improve our chances against the Casino's House Advantage that is built into each and every PAYOUT, except the "Free Odds".

Nothing at a Craps Table is FREE or Negotiable with the Craps Table's Crew. Lets start this Thread introducing ourselves and OUR Craps Philosophy.

 

I have never played Craps in real casinos, nor I think it is available online. It looks like a fascinating game to me much like horse races and is no doubt a visual delight. It is all about randomness and probability and different odds with different payouts and different house edges. It could be similar to Sicbo that I prefer to play or even roulette or baccarat with dice being used instead of a ball or playing cards.
All casino games (especially table games) are all about playing with a little disadvantage with compare to the casino and lots of lesser capital and time.
@SevenOut,
I like your approach as it is logical and very similar to that of mine. I do not believe in superstitious side of gambling only logical. I do believe that our ideas to fight with any table game can help those playing others too.

 

Hey, Seven Out. I remember you from the Craps Forum and/or the Wizard site(s). I haven't played craps much since I retired, but I retain some interest. Somebody sent me an invitation to be a "founding member". There are some posts in the "private" section about making money. I don't have anything to sell and never have. Anyway, I'll hang around here awhile and see what develops.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

 

Hello Sevenout!...It's rudeboy99 with a different moniker....your post is thought provoking as always.

 

I am a Darwinian Craps Player. The "Survival of the Fittest".
- A tested System of Play
- A Bankroll Management System
- Knowledge of the Dice Pyramid of the 36 possible Outcomes and their Correct Payouts
- Self Control

I like your post. And agree on so many fronts. I write about Sam Grafstein's work at dicedoctor.info where I'd say your post would ring true against his book.

My comments:

You'll get slaughtered at Craps if you approach a table or casino with a complete thorough understanding of your play - presses, stop loss, when to get up and leave, being capitalized and not over/under capitalized, bet sizing. "A Tested System of Play"

If you have no clue on your Session Bank Roll, Total Bank Roll and bet sizing..."A Bank Roll System"

- Every single outcome, change owed, pressing, why we press, over all play vs. same betting etc. inside and out

- Discipline ..."Human nature is the gambler's worst enemy, the house edge is a piker by comparison" ... by Sam Grafstein.

 

Excellent post, as usual SO!

BB

 

Yo Steve -

Greetings from Las Vegas - had to donate the red jacket to the Viet Vets' org. -
Stayed at YOUR favorite casino when we arrived in Vegas -
Sam's Town - and YES - YOUR favorite pit boss / box man -
Is STILL there !

Give a shout when you get back in town !

$...eE..$ and " LuckyLady "

 

Hello sir ,

Was just there but definitely be back...thank you for donating my jacket to such a worthy group...hopefully they start winning.

Congrats on your move to Vegas...I hope you and the First Lady of craps are doing well!

Steve

 

let the games begin....I pretty much agree with SevenOut, every roll is random without being affected by the previous roll, timing (and betting of course) is everything its more likely that simply holding the dice longer before rolling will affect your outcome than what was just previously rolled.

The real money is made when you are passing and got chips on every point and you are taking odds on everything sensible and you keep rollong (not a 7) - making money on just about every roll.

 

Thanks for these posts... you're playing my favorite song, and the music is Sweet!
The lyrics pose the question:

What's the REAL percentage of Right Bettors to Wrong Bettors here?

 

I'm losing all my Roulette winnings on the craps table

 

The main emphasis in my play is to minimize the amount of money I expose to the house advantage, so I make a minimum pass bet and use the odds bet to vary my risk. That minimum pass bet does not increase unless I have reached the casino's odds limit and still want to bet more. This play can be boring, and most people prefer to cover more than one number, even all of them, but a principle to keep in mind is: for every number you cover, you must pay, whether it's 1.41% on line bets, 1.52% on place 6/8 or more on other bets. Yes, sometimes I stand there with my thumb up my ass waiting for the point or seven-out, while people are raking in money on other numbers, but when the seven comes I only lose my passline and odds. I also get more variance for my money, as the standard deviations of the odds bets are higher, relative to the bet amounts, than the line bets.
Cheers,
Alan Shank

 

I know that most people like to add "odds" to their pass line bet. To me that is adding more money "at risk". I realize that if you hit your pt. that you get paid off at true odds on your pass line bet. I would rather place a pt. number for whatever amount I choose. Of course is you hit your pt. with the pass line with odds you can possibly make more money, than someone just placing that number. Does this make any sense? Anyway I just simply don't like to risk the added money of odds. Not saying it is rong to add odds to the pass line. Just sayin.

 

Essentially the ONLY difference is what YOU propose by place betting rather than taking odds behind your PL wager -

Is the fact you are short-changing yourself a few dollars each time that the PL is won -

UNLESS - if you do NOT play the PL except when you shoot - then the Place Bet is the better way to go -

However, if you routinely play the PL - then you should take the odds -

And LIKE the Place Bet - you can remove or add to the odds wager at will !

$...eE..$

 

Of course it is. The difference is that there is no house edge on this risked money.

Well, you can make your odds bet in an amount you choose, too. If you place a number, you are risking more, too, and paying a "tax" on it as well (the house edge).

What is the difference between adding risk on the odds and adding risk on a place bet? The odds bet doesn't have any edge, and the place bet does.

 

You are correct that the odds bet doesn't have any edge and the place bet does. I was only stating that when taking the odds on your p/l bet that you were putting more money at risk. That is all I was trying to say. And I agree with you that "one is paying a tax" when placing a number. Just sayin.

 

I prefer the do not pass, and the odd are slightly better, but everone seems to bet the pass and so it seems I am frowned on by everyone at the craps table by being contrary to the majority, craps is agreat game and they sure cannot cheat, and for sure the best odds are on the odds bets, but after the point is established no matter what the point is, the probability is sure in favour of the seven, since there are so many ways to roll a seven. It seems like you can get on a roll on the craps table and when you are hot it seems like the seven hardly ever comes up and if you keep betting the come and have chips on about every number you can literally win almost every roll as long as the seven doesnt come up. I have been to the casino alot lately but have not touched the craps table.