Craps Current accepted craps lingo

A quick example of his lack of knowledge of gambling was in one of the posts where he stuck his nose into a thread on craps......I really forget which one....and I ain't got the patience to check it out ....but in his utterly laughable comment on his opinion of someone else great point on ckraps ....[removed, pay to advertise] larry s. stated ......

"WHEN THE SHOOTER "CRAPS OUT"........

There is no such thing as the shooter in craps ...."Crapping out...only an ignorant no nothing would come up with that term to indicate that the shooter did not make his or her pernt..............

After a shooter establishes his or her pernt .....they throw the dice until they MAKE THEIR PERNT.............or SEVEN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>the old man patrick

another self important person who throws around the word "ignorant". We all know what he means when he uses the words "aint" and "pernt". HIS slang is acceptable.

according to Random House and other dictionaries.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

noun

1.
(in craps) a losing throw, in which the total on the two dice is 2, 3, or 12.

2.
craps.


Verb phrases, past and past participle crapped, present participle crapping.
3.
crap out,

1. Also called seven out. (in the game of craps) to throw a 7 rather than make one's point.
2. Slang. to abandon a project, activity, etc., because of fear, cowardice, exhaustion, loss of enthusiasm, etc.
3. Slang. to break a promise or fail to fulfill a duty or obligation; renege.

Origin of crap 2

1835-1845
1835-45, Americanism; back formation from craps
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British Dictionary definitions for crap





SO YOU SEE,,,,THAT AS A NOUN ITS A 2,3, 12
as A VERB.....its "sevening out"
Its totally acceptable to use the term "crapping out" in the context I mentioned without people throwing a fit and name calling me ignorant.
Or banning me or others.(just as its just fine for the putz to use "pernt" or "aint"..) Ok....its not the only reason for my ban. I have a long history of cogent comment that he cannot refute or debate so banning has always been the best remedy. But it seems another person who started this post had a banning or censorship just for agreeing with me. After her post was here for a week, it some how appeared a couple of weeks later under the original date on the putz's site.
Showing his cowardice.
Some dope on that site said it was me posing as JG. Well the putz did have enough time to verify that it wasnt me, and ended up posting her entry a few weeks later(a couple days ago). He would have much rather busted me.
That hasnt stopped him before. There have been many posters that were deleted that were taken down with the lie that it was me. Its convenient and no one can prove otherwise.

The reason for the big blowup by the old man is that I responded to his bragging statement that one of his subscribers had 119 open sports tickets. I SAID THAT WAS MEANINGLESS....unless we knew how many tickets were ripped up in order to get to that position. and then how many of those 119 were cashed in the end. I said it was like going to Saratoga and buying a 2 dollar win ticket on every horse in every race to start the day and proclaiming that you have 119 open tickets. You have to calculate the winnings and subtract the losings before its meaningful.

That started a nice conversation. A civil one where of course I was coming out on top. Ken even agreed with me( and Ken and I have some history) This angered the putz and mass deletions occurred. Kens POST TO ME STILL SURVIVES. Funny...its like he is responding to someone who isnt there.
Just another example of the putz losing a debate without even saying a word.....and then he needs massive deletions to save face.

Once years ago before I was banned an entire thread disappeared on sports gambling because as he responded to my posts, he came across as ignorant and he had no choice but to censor.

But I am not the only one banned. He claims to have banned Ontario dealer, and Mr V. Two people who like myself could make a comment and defend it....and were banned for nothing more than having a defendable opinion contrary to the putz....where the putz was unable to debate it and win...needing the cowards way out.

 

Hey LarryS

I feel your pain, for I too have been where you are at now. I found that there is no amount of proof or truth that I can offer to someone who has closed their mind. All you can do is move on and not the actions of one crotchety old man affect you.

Have a great day!

 

Thanks....but it doesnt effect me at all. All I do is make comments and have honest debate. I can handle it.

It speaks to the legacy of the man who calls himself a dominant force. It males him look small. It makes his 4 followers look foolish.

He comes across as a fake and phony. As a coward when he hides behind a delete button. He gives people the impression that he is peddling a house of cards method of gambling that is so fragile that cogent questions will topple it.

He wants his 4 remaining followers to believe that he is deleting others in order to protect them. An altruistic motive. Yeah right. It is instead selfish. He himself is unable to wipe the floor with me or others who question his methods, or respectfully supply alternative methods or theories.
All he can do is censor. Its self preservation for him. In most cases I am just posting my views on sports gambling.

If his methods were rock solid....they would pass the test of scrutiny easily....and his site would be thriving with more than 4 people.

He should be happy when there is activity of people like myself offering our comments and encouraging lively discussion.

But alas he is stuck with an average of 2 posts a day....often his is the only post.

people think he adversely effects me as you state. How could that be. He is meaningless to my life, and its not me thats being viewed as a scared shivering child hiding under his mommies skirt. Its not me who call himself as a "dominant force" in all forms of gambling yet cant calmly discuss opinions on an open message board.

He proudly claims to have permanently banned me, Mr V and ontario dealer. All people who calmly posted opinions. Ontario dealer posted opinions with the weight of a couple dozen years working in casinos.

So I am never upset by him. He has no effect on me. His actions negatively effect him exponentially more than they effect me.

its just that he and his 4 followers dont realize it. Totally impervious to reality

 

I saw the other day about his idiotic statements about the term "Craps Out"....as opposed to the proper term of 7 out ......when a shooter establishes a point and eventually bangs out a seven.....which obviously takes all of the wagers made by "Right Bettors on the Pass Line and Come bets and Hard ways .....

the dealer will exclaim...when he or she is the stick person and sees the 7 appear .....they will give out the standard explanation..................."OUT 7 .......LINE AWAY......TAKE THE DO'S....and PAY THE DONT'S".........

When that 7 appears ....they say the above ....NOT......... "The shooter crapped out"...........

You do NOT lose your right to throw the dice and continue to have the right to continue to throw the dice.....even if you threw 2-3-4-5-6-7 Craps in a row........(Craps is the total of 2 or 3 or 12 on the dice.....and result in a player losing ONLY a Come bet that is made immediately preceding the shooter throwing that craps.....>>>per john patrick


here is a person grasping at straws. Here is a person who does not live in 2015. You know what.... no matter what he "feels"....."gay" has a different meaning that it did 70 years ago. He can tell us what he "feels"...but there is a fact....Its in the dictionary. REALITY.

as a noun craps means 2.3.12
as a verb crapping out is acceptable slang for sevening out.

Its already in dictionaries. Its a fact. It exists as an accepted way to express sevening out.

There is nothing to agree or disaggree about. Its reality. Its a fact. If you dont like the words in the dictionary YOU can chose to select the ones your like to use. But who the hel lis anyone to tell others what words they should use outside of offensive words.

who cares if the stickman doesnt use the term "crapping out". We dont live our lives using the stickman as our guiding light. The stickman doesnt use the words "aint' and "pernt"/////yet others can use it(LIKE PATRICK)....and we know what he is saying.

craps is the name of the game as well a the identifier of a throw of the dice of 2,3,12. Craps in the context of "crapping out" refers to the GAME.

throwing a roll that makes you go OUT in the GAME of craps. Everyone knows it doest refer to the rolling of a 2,3,12. when someone says they "crapped out". And guess what..there is factual documentation in dictionaries that support me.

a dominant force in gambling should be aware of all there accepted terms out there. He is way way behind the times. The game seems to have bypassed him.

It seems patrick, besides labeling himself a dominant force in gambling, also feels he is a dominant force in word approval in dictionaries. A real expert in language. He is so good he over-rides accepted dictionary definitions. We need to ask patrick if its ok to use words in the dictionary to see if they meet with HIS approval. He is an authrority in much morethan gambling in his own mind and in the kinds of his 4 follwoers

 

LarryS

Public and open boards always turn in to Flame Wars, and a dominate personality can become a TROLL on such boards where they attack everyone! Back in the 90's the newsgroups was nothing but huge flame wars - alt.zen, rec.gambling, alt.politics and so on. The Flame Wars got so bad when users would stalk other users, post personal information about other users in the board that the FBI got involved, legal suits where filed and some criminal complaints filed as well. Many large chat board and sites shut down most of their forums, and boards that are specialized for a particular topic are very quick to kick/ban anyone who is controversial these days.

Now, there are private gambling boards out there where to join you pay a yearly fee and have to meet the board manager in person before you can be let in. Not so different than an investment club board or other club boards for that manor, however when you join such boards you are joining the club and ascribing to their codes of behavior and honor.

 

Can he come kback on this board ....if he promises to be good ......????

Of course he can....and I have offered him that opportunity several times ....but he refuses .....

For his indescretions and horrible information.....all he needs do is send me a check of $150 ....made out to the .......

HOME FOR THE BLIND (deleted)........

Which I will forward to the Nuns that run that home for the poor unforunates who could use all the help they can get .....

But Charley cheapo..........won't pay for his sins...........and I am sure he makes good money stocking the shelves in that pharmacy he works for .....heck at minimum wage .........it would take him only a few weeks to raise this bounty.....Patrick


Why would I PAY to get back on his site when he has the track record of deleting posts that he disagrees with rather than debating them.
He has the track record of exaggerating(some would call it lying). He has a track record of lumping me together with other people he deleted claiming we are all the same person.
He has a track record of banning calm posters like Mr V OR ONTARIO DEALER...WHOM HE DISAGREES WITH
BANNED, not for trolling, not for vile language, not for bigoted comments.....nope..just for having an opinion he doesnt agree with
So why would I all of a sudden believe if donated 150 dollars.....his finger would be off of of the delete button or his direction to delete to the monitor would all of a sudden go away?
He proudly claims he is a con man
This is just another one.

If I promise to "be good"....what the heck. Who is the arbiter of "good". Is being good agreeing with him? Yeah right. I spend 150 so I can kiss his behind like his4 followers and toss out my true opinions and questions. I spend 150 to drink his koolaide and be one of his mindless unquestining flock of 4 or 5.? Its cool....I will pass old timer. Run your con on someone else.

yeah maybe track man will come to his rescue like he says

 

Its amazing. Patrick throws a fit over the use of the term "crapping out"....yet allowed his favorite p[oster frank, to use the word "k-ke" more than once. It shows you where his value system is.
I guess growing up...it was forbidden to use the words "crapping out" in his household......but the other word was fine.

 

MarkV

i AGREE WITH WAHT YOU SAID, and every board owner has the right to post their rules. Patrick can indeed if he wants post rules ..."I will delete or ban anyone who disagrees with me". And that would be that. or "I will delete anyone I am not mentally capable of debating"...and that will be fine.

But in a board with no rules posted. I assume general rules of proper conduct. You know..no vulgarities, bigoted remarks, name calling.
I never assume censorship of concepts or opinions.

flaming doesnt occur at that board. There is generally 1 post per day. Sometimes 2. And the posts dont appear in real time. THey are held.

So flaming is impossible.

there is a back and forth about dice setting and video and such here on this site and it seems pretty heated. I am not interested in that thread and I skip over it. I dont read all those posts. I am a big boy. I dont call it "flaming"...I dont comment "enough is enough". I am not the arbiter of what is "enough".
I am happy just to [post my thoughts and read the thoughts of others on topics I am interested in. I dont need big brother to censor. I can do my own censorship by not reading certain threads. I dont need anyone to hold my hand and tell me what is good to read and what is not good to read.
I would find it insulting if someone did that. Unlike the 4 patrick followers..I can form my own opinions on what is valid and true. I dont need mommy to cut my steak.


But as far as the big blow up on "crapping out"....there is noting to discuss. As long as dictionaries have an approved definition.....there is no debate. There is nothing to refute.
Its there in black and white. Its an acceptable term to use..and if people want to use an alternate term..thats fine too.

 

All groups can get 'clicky' about their philosophy and methods. Typically when you join to such a group you are also ascribing to whatever they support, however if it is unclear as to what they actually support and believe in, then that always breads infighting. I simply won't join up with any group that is unclear and riddled with ambiguities about what they support. When a group is controlled by one person who 'makes up the rules as they go along' that is flat out a cult and that never goes well.

When you analyze Dice Influence it really is ambiguous position, because there is no proof (scientific or mathematical) that such a methods (and there are lots of methods out there) do anything at all to give the player the advantage over the house. Any position without empirical proof becomes then an article of faith, and you can actually see that in many of these Dice Control/Influence groups where you are told to 'believe that it works, and it will work'. Wow, that is new-age belief stuff right there!

Most people who venture in to a casino are playing for fun. Winning would be great, but they expect to lose. For them the casino is the connection to the Party and gambling brings the Juice to make the Party happen. So, many might take a seminar on Dice shooting and craps play in hopes that it simply will help them bring in the juice faster and louder to turn on the party to 11! Yeah, that is probably 98% of what is out there.

There is perhaps a 2% that actually working the casinos to create a part-time if not full-time income for themselves. These players keep it soo on the QT, they don't post on boards, they don't run websites or advertise anything about themselves or what they are doing. As far as they are concerned they want the casinos to think they are just another degenerate, just another sucker, just another stupid sheep for the sheering. The last thing they want is for the casino to realize it is them that was getting sheered all the years! When that happens, all the free play, comped goodies, tier points and tolerance for their play style is gone. Trust me, if the casino does not think that they will win back from you what you are taking from them, they make it really really nasty then for you to play in their joints, and I know a few guys who gotten rather nasty letters from the casino uninviting them too.

Then.... there are the degenerate gamblers. ( and I think a lot of the Internet gambling gurus fall in this category). With this class of person you will witness new definitions of insanity and absurdity. At first you think they might have something with some of the more 'off-the-wall' betting strategies and techniques they have, however they are not the living proof that such things work. Then later you ponder if they are 'crazy like a fox' and realize that perhaps they are not winning at the casino rather just smooching/scamming the fellow players by convincing them to give the money to learn these worthless methods and systems they teach. Lastly, you realize that they are just crazy degenerates who will do anything to get a gambling fix, and they don't care what you, I or anyone things or says. Hell, if they run a board they just kick your ass out if you say that "the king has no cloths on".

Lastly.... and Lastly ....
Casinos absolutely read gambling boards. Anything posted on any site, no matter how locked up the ops think they got it, will end up in front of some casino security analyst soon or or later. Moles are everywhere, and degenerate players blabber off to the casinos if they think volunteering information to them will get them something. Unless you got the power of a blog or popular gambling newsletter where a less than kind work from you can put a dent in their revenue, well the casinos can simply shut off the comp faucet and put a nasty little note in your player file that will bring you nothing but heat and grief. I have personally seen this happen and know guys who have had that happen to them...and, I know one guy who was fired from his job (a company connected with many casinos) for what he wrote on a few gambling boards.

My take on most gambling board is that they are dangerous, and where a lot of degenerates lurk to find their next victim. The boards are direct pipelines to the casinos too, where they evaluate what is posted as to if someone has found a weakness in the games or something that is being exploited.

Bottom line: Just be very careful what you write and say.

 

I agree, when dealing with degenerates its always best to be careful

 

The quantity of gambling degenerates that infest the casinos, male and female degenerates that is, will make your head spin. With a degenerate, there is no level that is to low for them, nothing is sacred, and any aspect of morality has long been shredded.

So, I am at the D, and this drunk guy who looks like Jack Nicholson is there (he has been talked about on other boards as well so he is a local degenerate), and he wants to play craps. He is like, "I go this game all figured out" He puts a green on the don't pass and says, "that is how it is done'. He wins a few greens and orders more drinks. Then he says to me in a Jack Nicholson sort of demeanor and tone, "now if you really want to know how to take the house down, that I have to charge you for that". And I am alike, "oh really, how is that?" So he is like playing the eccentric drunk who is about to spill the secrets but needs something to loosen his tongue. So, I figure that is how he is getting his greens then, buy telling people his worthless secret for a few greens. Later I see him out on Fremont street having his photo taken with strangers....I guess looking like Jack Nicholson in Las Vegas has its perks.

One guy comes up to me and says that I can win at Craps by not playing craps! The deal was that I would give him 300 and he would play craps for me and give me a half of the of the winnings plus my original 300. He said he plays and I can go relax and not worry about the gambling. I am thinking...does this actually work? Do people really fall for this? I am guessing they do.

"Stop losing at the casinos" he advertises in laundry mats around Las Vegas. Claims he will teach you how to win at the casinos, but it will cost you $500 to learn his methods. Do they work? Well, why is he asking for $500 from you then? Of course they don't work.

Then there is sex and the degenerate..

I was playing in the high limits room at 2am. I had a room at the casino and taken a nap earlier, so I was very alert and playing spot on. This 30 something gal, attractive and all dressed up, sits at the last VP machine along the wall where I am playing, and pucks in a few hundred. With in minutes a host comes over and she is telling him her shitty life stories, and how crappy she has had it recently and how much she has lost to this casino. So the conversation then turns to how much free play she can get from the host, she is asking for two large, he is unsure if he can do that, and does this sort of thing where he rushes back to the office then back to her saying that he can do such but he needs something in return and shows her a room card. Shit, I am like cracking up at how the host got him self some ass from this degenerate.

The antics I have seen with degenerate and sex are legionary. Another story for another time.

 

I remember going to t he meadowlands harness track weekly. Besides selling racing forms and programs there were 2OR 3 "PICK SHEETS" that were sold at the counter. They were generally useless I purchased them maybe 3-4 times. One day the meadowlands let the author of one of the sheets be a guest there where they give him a podium and a microphone and he gives his picks for the card. He talked about how he is at the track early in the mornings talking to trainers, watching the horses train and getting inside info, living and breathing the track....blah blah blah. He was in a nice suit and gave a great presentation.(his picks for the day were nothing special. but he did have a couple of good picks)

A month later I am at a gas station, and he pulls in. He is driving a 15 year old car literally held together in places with duct tape.
What does that say about his success. What does that say about him getting his "inside info". Doesnt he follow his own advice??
The success of his system can be seen in his lifestyle.
In a paramutual setting, the more people that put money down on your winning selection, the less money you win. Why would you put yourself in that position where you will win less.

Billy Walters is successful in his sports betting in that his lifestyle with personal jets, multiple homes, golf courses as confirmation.
Some sad sack living in what he calls "a rat hole" or "hades" also tells of the success rate of his systems.

usually the proof is in the lifestyle,

 

LarryS,
There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. Success leaves clues!

Sports betting by far is where it is at when you are going for the money. Always bet when you have the advantage!

Playing the Don'ts in Craps and laying full odds is your bets bet where the underdog is making the point! But the casino wants you to bet on the underdog so they promote that bet. Craps is the only casino game where you can bet with the casino! I know lots of guys who make a very nice living just on don'ts betting.

And...then there is the shill. People who will say anything, do anything, to get you to lose money in the casino and they get a percentage of your losses cause you brought them in! There is a lot of suspected guys out there in the Dice World who might just be a shill.

 

So if some dude is selling a dozen books, had a tv show, personal appearances for a fee, sports service sales for 2 decades, and pay per view shows.......but then he bemoans that he lives in "hades" with no way out. Has not had the ability to fly to vegas for at least 7-8 years...even for a weekend. Lived with mommy for most of his adult life while she was alive. Is relegated to going to illegal underground casinos in order to g et his gambling fix......
compare to Billy Walters who has far less years of success...but can fly to vegas in his own jet anytime he wants(if he is away from vegas)...can fly to be with his family anytime he wants, has homes, golf courses, businesses

One is a sports gambling expert with a lifestyle made for success. Another is a self proclaimed ":dominant force" in all forms of gambling. A jack of all trades living an austere life in "hades"

One doesnt share his methods, and just quietly makes his money, putting his money where his mouth is and making millions.

The other had/has a day job selling his books, seminars, sports service picks,years of tv shows.....on top of supposedly making money gambling daily either at sports, poker, or tables. You would think he would be even better off than Billy Walters....taking the casino money daily, on top of his day job. Not many full time gamblers have that second source of income

But in the end,,,,if anyone cares to open their eyes....the spoils of success are right there for us to see, And the austere signs of failure are also there to see.

 

Ah, you are talking about John Coppa http://smartcasinogambling.com

There is nothing new under the sun about gambling that has not been published by many authors and taught by many gambling coaches. The difference however between a winner and a loser is: Discipline.

Chasing losses and going on tilt when losing is common, so is going on a binge when winning where they start making stupid bets. A great example is when a good roll is going on at the craps table, people start pitching bets on the hardways, horns, yo's, craps, and hop bets! I see that all the time. Lack of discipline within the player is why the casinos win for the most part, and they know this is why they win. I am talking about how house edge games here, not carnival games or slots that I consider 'entertainment games' and should be avoided.

There are thousands of full time pros who live or travel to Las Vegas. I personally know many of them. Most pro gamblers just don't openly admit what they do because of the social stigma attached to gambling. Not all of them live 100% off the gambling, though a few do. Most however have side gigs, pick up flex work, or can find contract gigs where they can work even in a Las Veges casino hotel room. I know a few ForEx Traders who work from 6am to noon Las Vegas Time in the hotel room trading, then they go down to the casino and win there too.

Though, for every success there are probably 100 failures out there. It is not easy, but then opening a bar or any small business these days is not easy too.

 

patrick

 

IT seems the above went away on the original site.
IT seems the original poster had second thoughts....realized he was wrong....and slithered away

by the way..just as eveyone knows what crapping out means
everyone knows what "pernt" means
I have no reason to name call him as being "ignorant" for mispelling the word ""point"
One can argue there are no "pernts" in craps...but in the context of his sentences we all know what hemeans

can someone use the words "aint" and "pernt" without being called "ignorant"....yes...just as someone can use the "crapping out" term without backlash. All the words are clearly understandable....and just fine for a message board.

 

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