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Baccarat Cutting House Edge to -0.56%

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    4. Enhanced Fibonacci with Oscar Adjustment

    A way that I learned from the professional was to combine both the Fibonacci with Oscar's Grind. I won't discuss it for long, but here's the long and short of it:

    Follow the Enhanced Fibo above. When you get your win and drop down a level, you stay at that level until you get another win (hopefully the very next bet!). Upon a loss, you will stay at that level until you win. Instead of adjusting to get your $5 profit and moving to that level in the progression, you will raise your bet ONLY $5. For instance, if you get your win on Level 5 of the Enhanced Fibonacci progression, and you are down $10 after the $25 win. You drop to Level 4 for $15 bets. Let's say you lose four bets in a row, which is a total of $60 for a total loss of $70. Then you get a win for $15, lowering your overall loss to $55. Instead of moving to Level 7 for $65 to get a profit of $10, you will only raise your bet $5 to $20. Although you will need extra wins to recover, it keeps your bets low as the Fibo can accelerate quickly!! Again, the example that I have given you doesn't give you a great example of how this works, just know that you are preserving more of your bankroll while trying to recoup any losses you may have.

    That's about all I have for my method. I hope that you enjoy it. Again, it's not the Holy Grail, but I use it and enjoy it and actually have made more than I've lost!
     
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  2. Joey Torres

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    Hi CPS10,

    Really appreciated your efforts to explain your method.

    Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

    Cheers
     
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  3. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, As u have mentioned 3 options of MM, which one u widely use while playing, BTW, u play in B&M or online Casinos or both
     
  4. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    I prefer the first with the modified Labby. I am looking essentially for two wins to get my goal. I can usually get that before the halfway mark of any shoe.

    I play in both online casinos and brick and mortar. It all checks out the same for me.
     
  5. Thanhtai

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    Tôi không hiểu phương pháp baccarat online ở trên xin hãy giúp tôi hiểu và nói lại 1 lần nữa
     
  6. Ravinderchawla

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    Hello, I was testing a few shoes yesterday, following Scenarios of W/L strings occurred,where I was stuck, as bets escalated e.g
    1) LWLLLWLWLLWW
    2) LLWLLWLLWLWL
    How would u handle the above mentioned strings, applying modified Labby, Kindly apply ur betting strategy on each outcome of W/L as it occurs & not complete string,
    By this way it will clear things when in fix, & when to stop if need be & move to another shoe
    BTW take ur time,thanks
     
  7. cps10

    cps10 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what you are asking, but in a situation like this, using the modified Labby would have been ideal in both instances.

    1) LWLLLWLWLLWW

    Start with 0-1-1-1 - goal to get 3 units

    Bet 1: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string: 0-2-1-1
    Bet 2: 0+1 = 1 unit; Win; new string: 2-1
    Bet 3: 2+1 = 3 units; Loss; new string: 3-3
    Bet 4: 3+3 = 6 units; Loss; new string: 6-6
    Bet 5: 6+6 = 12 units; Loss; new string: 12-12
    Bet 6: 12+12 = 24 units; Win; sequence is over +3 units

    New string: 0-1-1-1

    Bet 7: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string: 0-2-1-1
    Bet 8: 0+1 = 1 unit; Win; new string: 2-1
    Bet 9: 2+1 = 3 units; Loss; new string: 3-3
    Bet 10: 3+3 = 6 units; Loss; new string: 6-6
    Bet 11: 6+6 = 12 units; Win; sequence is over +3 units

    New string: 0-1-1-1

    Bet 12: 0+1 = 1 unit; Win; end of betting +1 unit (+7 units overall)

    2) LLWLLWLLWLWL

    New string: 0-1-1-1

    Bet 1: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string: 0-2-1-1
    Bet 2: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string: 0-2-2-1
    Bet 3: 0+1 = 1 unit; Win; new string: 2-2
    Bet 4: 2+2 = 4 units; Loss; new string: 4-4
    Bet 5: 4+4 = 8 units; Loss; new string: 8-8
    Bet 6: 8+8 = 16 units; Win; sequence is over +3 units

    New string: 0-1-1-1

    Bet 7: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string is 0-2-1-1
    Bet 8: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; new string is 0-2-2-1
    Bet 9: 0+1 = 1 unit; Win; new string is 2-2
    Bet 10: 2+2 = 4 units; Loss; new string is 4-4
    Bet 11: 4+4 = 8 units; Win; sequence is over +3 units

    New string: 0-1-1-1

    Bet 12: 0+1 = 1 unit; Loss; end of betting -1 unit (+5 units overall)

    You will escalate bets for sure if you are trying to squeeze this into two wins. You can extend your sequence if you'd rather, that's purely up to you.

    Had you used the Modified Fibo, here is the result:

    1) LWLLLWLWLLWW

    Bet 1: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 2: 1 unit; Win; +0 overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 3: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 4: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 5: 2 units; Loss; -4 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 6: 3 units; Win; -1 unit overall, move back to level 1 or you could move down to level 3 if you prefer
    Bet 7: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move up a level (-3 if you started at level 3)
    Bet 8: 1 unit; Win; -1 unit overall, move back to level 1 (even if you started at level 3 and moved back down)
    Bet 9: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 10: 1 unit; Loss; -3 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 11: 2 units; Win; -1 unit overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 12: 1 unit; Win; break-even

    2) LLWLLWLLWLWL

    Bet 1: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 2: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 3: 2 units; Win; +0 overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 4: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 5: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 6: 2 units; Win; +0 overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 7: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 8: 1 unit; Loss; -2 units overall, move to next level
    Bet 9: 2 units; Win; +0 overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 10: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall, move to next level
    Bet 11: 1 unit; Win; +0 overall, move back to level 1
    Bet 12: 1 unit; Loss; -1 unit overall

    The Fibo definitely saved you money here with escalating bets, as your highest bet was 3 units at any given time. The Labby gave more profit, but your bet did escalate to 24 units on one bet.
     
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  8. cps10

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    Another way to do this would be to apply an even milder form of Labby as follows:

    1) LWLLLWLWLLWW

    Looking for just one unit win per sequence can be done like this. Start with just a "1" on the line.

    Bet 1: Loss; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 2: Win; now 1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 3: Loss; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 4: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 5: Loss; now 1-1-1-1; increase bet to 2 units
    Bet 6: Win; cancel two of the 1's; decrease bet to 1 unit; now 1-1
    Bet 7: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 8: Win; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 9: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 10: Loss; now 1-1-1-1; increase bet to 2 units
    Bet 11: Win; cancel two of the 1's; decrease bet to 1 unit; now 1-1
    Bet 12: Win; break even although you have 5 W - 7 L

    2) LLWLLWLLWLWL

    Bet 1: Loss; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 2: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 3: Win; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 4: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 5: Loss; now 1-1-1-1; increase bet to 2 units
    Bet 6: Win; cancel two of the 1's; decrease bet to 1 unit; now 1-1
    Bet 7: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 8: Loss; now 1-1-1-1; increase bet to 2 units
    Bet 9: Win; cancel two of the 1's; decrease bet to 1 unit; now 1-1
    Bet 10: Loss; now 1-1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 11: Win; now 1-1; continue betting 1 unit
    Bet 12: Loss; now 1-1-1. Loss of -2 units despite going 4 W - 8 L
     
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  9. Ravinderchawla

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    Yes, that's exactly what I was asking, We should try to keep our bets low as possible, though we gain less or lose little, BTW if u would have been playing, for real money, what would u prefer?, thanks
     
  10. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, In case of milder Labby Ex 1, bet 5 we had 3 losses in a row,& the string looked as 1-1-1-1) then we increased bet to 2 units, If we would have lost that bet I.e 4 losses in a row what would the string look like, & how many units our next bet would be? BTW won't u Stop playing that shoe if u lose 4/5 in a row, Your suggestions?,
     
  11. cps10

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    Hello Ravinderchawla,

    I would probably either get out of that shoe completely, or sit out some more hands until things are a little more stable. As I mentioned before, getting 6 wins in a shoe with this bet selection is very common, in fact, I'm not sure I've never seen a shoe where there wasn't six wins, so that would afford you some time to either sit out or stretch out your string. Worst case scenario if you stay with the shoe would be to break the one string into two. I hope that helps answer your question.
     
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  12. Joey Torres

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    Hi Fathead,

    Do you have the data on the total no. of 1, 2, 3 in a row for Player and Banker separately?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  13. fathead

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    It will be half of previous something like 48,000 single, 24,000 double, 12,000 triple on each side. Singles and probably doubles will be Player heavy. Triples should be Banker heavy. I can run the numbers later in the week when I have more time.
     
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  14. Zhang Wei

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    Hi fathead, I am guessing here, but I think you will get something close to BTC's SAP Frequency of Events:

    Average 1 single every 4 plays, 1 double every 8 plays, 1 triple every 16 plays, etc
     

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    Joey, my guesses were off on the absolute numbers but the ratios were correct. Here are the numbers on my shoes.

    SINGLES: P=25216 B=24506
    DOUBLES: P=12416 B=12341
    TRIPLES: P=6156 B=6330
     
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  16. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    You are correct!
     
  17. Ordinary_people

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    @fathead

    Do you have ebook :

    The Perfect Bet: How Science and Math Are Taking the Luck Out of Gambling

    Book by Adam Kucharski

    If you or someone in here have it and want to share. Because i think maybe we can get something positive from the book.

    I really appreciate. Thanks before guys
     
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  18. Joey Torres

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    Thanks Fathead. This is very informative.

    Cheers
     
  19. Sextan

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    Hi fathead,

    Base on your figures, I believe it's a total of est 2765 live shoes data.

    Is it possible that you help to pull out the data for all the streaks?

    1s : P=25216 B=24506
    2s : P=12416 B=12341
    3s : P=6156 B=6330
    4s : P=xxx B=xxx
    ...
    ...
    17s and more : P=2 B=0

    Something as above?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  20. cps10

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    I have a spreadsheet somewhere that gives this kind of data. It is old around 10 years old, but might have it. It's over 2,500 live shoes.
     

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