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Craps Double Crossing the 3 Point Molly ^^

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by Kimonoskunk, Feb 22, 2016.

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How much faith would you put in craps betting systems?

  1. Yep, I do all the time.

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  2. Err.. sometimes ... Martingale?

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  3. Nope... just give me the dice... grumble.

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  1. Kimonoskunk

    Kimonoskunk New Member

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    Hey everyone, I'm new here and I do enjoy playing Craps online, but haven't tried in a real casino yet.
    I do prefer using Wizzardofodds craps trainer, version 1 btw. ^^.


    Double Crossing 3 Point Molly.

    (I know it's against the standard rules, you are 'supposed' to use only Come bets when you initially bet your chips in the 'Pass' box, and the 'Don't Come' bar only uses the Don't Pass box for betting. Well my system turned this set of rules onto its head, and reversed it.)

    What I use is a hybrid system using my favorite things from the 'Three Point Molly' and using bets from the Dark Side. How does it work? Pay attention as I try to explain this as well as I can describe this from my somewhat warped thinking.

    (If I don't make a lotta sense, just blame the Cyst I have in my brain, that has given my Vertigo I had suffered from since June 2015. ^^. )

    I had taken up playing Craps to pass the time as I recovered, and tried a whole lot of different strategies. I did like the 3 Point Molly, When you win bets in the 4-10 field, including the Puck number. I just didn't like when I rolled a Seven (7), and lost my bets in the 4-10 field. The Dark Side bets were good, but I would find myself having to replace the bets in the 4-10 fields as I waited for a Seven(7) to hit. The 4-10 bets I would replace has the chance to drain my chips if the Seven (7) avoids you any longer than 6-ish rolls. Then 'IF' the Seven (7) hits, you get a good amount of chips, but you are at the mercy of hitting early Seven's (7's). If you hit a streak that goes pass eighth, nine or ten rolls, youre gonna find your chips leaving your stacks faster than my daughter can ask me to get her more MLP Pony figures, or a new Apple I-Pad.

    (That's pretty damn fast folks. ^^)

    How I came upon this system was actually a mistake in betting that I had done. I was using my Craps Trainer app on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 as my wife was grocery shopping. No wifi was available as I stayed in my minivan until she was finished.

    I was betting a $5.00 'Don't Pass' bar bet, and mistakenly placed a $5.00 bet into the 'Come' box and hit roll, ending up placing the bet in the 6 inside the box and not the top which I was used to. I didn't know if i should put any odds down on that bet so I left it alone. I then decided to see what happened, (just for $#!ts and giggles right?) After four rolls the '6' came up and paid me $10.00. Five bucks for the bet and Five for the win roll off the 6. "Hmmmm" I thought as I took a sip of tea. "I just scored a 'Come' bet while using the 'Dark Side' of betting the Don't Pass box. Lets see what happens if I do the same $5.00 bet using the 'Come' box, with full odds?" I finished that round and decided to do a $5.00 'Don't Pass' line bet at full $50.00 odds and a single $5.00 bet landing on 8 box in the 4-10 playfield with full $25.00 odds. I held my breath and hit Roll. I ended up hitting a 'Seven out' and made $96.00. Wow, ok that worked. 'Don't Pass' flat bet of $5.00 were 1:1 odds and won $5.00. 'Don't Pass' odds of $50.00 paid at 5:6 for $41.00. $50.00 in original Odds bets were returned, added to the $46.00 in winnings, totalling $96.00. (I really hope I have that all figured right. If something is wrong, PLEASE Offer me a correction, as I'm still very new to the game.) I now decided to try the '3 Point Molly' but starting a $5.00 in the 'Don't Pass' box with full-on odds, and 3 bets of $5.00 at the 4,5,6 boxes with $15.00, $20.00, and $25.00 odds respectively. I will play this $5.00 bet all the way out till I either 'Seven out' or the 'Puck Number' hitting, adding $5.00 bets with full odds into the 4-10 field, making 3 bets with odd's till the end. I will also include any 'quick seven outs', and any $5.00 bets that don't get placed into the field if 'come' bet doesn't fill into the 4-10 boxes.

    Here are my results for the round,

    Round 1: $60.00 win, but the "puck number' hit. D'oh. !!! I was hopIng for a longer run, so lets see what happens next. Just gotta remember I can't Hit the Puck number and kill the round. (9.9.)
    Round 2: $10, 55, -5, -5, 81 = $136.00 Hmmm that seemed better. One more round shall we?
    Round 3: $55,-5, 65, 60, 10, 55, 60, 96 = $396.

    Ok, I like where this is going. Let me amp this up a good bit and start using $25.00 bets instead of $5.00 bets. Try it for 5 Rounds...

    If ya are asking why I use $25.00 bets? Hmmm ... good question, as this will work with $5.00 and $10.00 bets as well. I am just using $25.00 as an example.

    A.) $25.00 Bet, with Full odds at 'Don't Pass' line. Followed by 'Come Bets' with full odds. I will usually bet 2 places in the 4-10 play area, but no more than 3 played, because if you seven (7) out, you will lose any profits from overbetting.

    Round 1: $50, 50, 325, 350, 50, 408 = $1,183 (Seven out) ($1,183)
    Round 2: $300, 275, -25, -25, 408 = $933 (Seven out) ($2,116)
    Round 3: $408, (Quick Seven out) ($2,524)
    Round 4: $325, 300, -25, 275, -25, 408 = $1,258 (Seven out) ($3,782)
    Round 5: $25, 533 = $558 (Quick Seven out) ($4,340).

    Hmmmm, $4,340 dollars after 5 Rounds of play, stopping at each 'Seven out.' Using a $1,000 start point at Wizzardofodds, version 1. (Online website game I play on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 Tablet.) A.) My system counts on early 7 outs. And then long strings between 7's. Using 3,4,5xs settings with $75.00, 100.00, 125.00 dollar odds (at the 4-10 play field) with $150.00 full odds on the $25 bet at the Don't Pass bar. Any number listed as -25, or +50 is a $25 dollar bet that was taken or paid in the Come Box before sliding it up to the 4+10 play area. Or the 7 hit on the Don't Pass bar, causing a +50 or a -25. Note: If the Puck number hits and there are bets still in the 4-10 field, I will play a new $25 dollar bet, into the Don't Pass Bar.

    Note: if you really want to take a chance and try to fill each 4-10 bet with one number out for the 'Puck Number' will run you approximately $850.00. I'd prefer you having a buffer, so to speak. Reason why, is if you hit the 'Puck number' before you get your other bets going, you'll be down $175.00 each. I know it's rare, but the buffer is there to get the system jump started without worry. And that's 'only' if you try to cover the entire 4-10 bets minus 1 of course for the Puck. ^^ To do this system comfortably, i'd suggest using a bankroll of $2500, with $1,750 of that in chips to start the system. And carry two (2) empty chip trays with clear lids with a snap or a latch if they come like that. 1.) You will play the 'Don't Pass' bar at $25.00 bets with full odds at $150.00 2.) Place a $25.00 chip in the 'Come' bet box, Roll the dice. 3.) Fill in as many of the 4-10 play-field (Two or three bets for myself.) with $25.00 bets with full odds, and keep going until you 'Seven out' If your 'Puck Number' hits with more bets standing in the 4-10 bet areas, start again with a new $25.00 bet with Full Odds, until you 'Seven Out', and the round ends. ^^

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    First Set of 1-25 Rounds' bets: $25.00 bets with full odds from the Don't Pass box, but using the 'Come' box to bet the 4-10 field.

    NOTE: I'm only betting $25.00 bets here, not 'Stacking the bets' as I said below... this is just my system, and saving the winnings, only using the winnings from the previous bets to pay the next round of odds.

    Round 1: $275, 300, 375, 125, 300, 325, 50, 300, 50, 300, 350 = $2750 (Seven Out).
    Round 2: $50, 325, 375, 300, 325, 50, 325, 350 = $2100 (Seven Out.)
    Round 3: $325 (Puck Number hit)
    Round 4: -$25 (Craps 7 Out before start. )
    Round 5: -$25 Craps 7 Out before start .)
    Round 6: $300 (Puck number hit.)
    Round 7: $50, 325 = $375 (Seven Out)
    Round 8: $350 (Quick Seven out)
    Round 9: $50 (Quick Seven out)
    Round 10: $300, 375 =$675 (Seven out)
    Round 11: $300, 325 =$625 (Seven out)
    Round 12: $300, 325 = $625 (Seven out)
    Round 13: $50, 300, 300, (+50), 325, 375 = $1400 (Seven out)
    Round 14: $ 375 (Seven out)
    Round 15: $300, 375 = $675. (Seven out)
    Round 16: -$25 (Craps Seven out before start)
    Round 17: $375 (Seven out)
    Round 18: $325 (Puck number hit.)
    Round 19: $325, 350 = $675 (Seven out)
    Round 20: $375 (Seven out)
    Round 21: $50, 325 = $375 (Seven out)
    Round 22: -$175. (Puck. number hit after the $25.00 was placed onto don't pass with full odds.)
    Round 23: $325 (Puck number hit)
    Round 24: $325, 275, 275, 275, 275, 325 = $1750 (Seven out)
    Round 25: $50, 50, 325 = $425 (Seven out)

    Total winnings from Round 1-25, = $14,900

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    Second set of 1-25 bets of $25.00 Full Odds
    Round 1: $50, 300, 275, 375 = $1,000 (Seven out)
    Round 2: -$175 (Puck Number scored just after Don't 5 (Puck Number scored just after Don't Come bet was full odds.)
    Round 3: $350 (Seven out)
    Round 4: $350 (Seven out)
    Round 5: $275 (Puck number scored out)
    Round 6: $325, 325, 325, -25, 25, 350 = $1325 (Seven out)
    Round 7: -$175, 325, 325, 300, 325, 325, 275, 275, 275, 325 , 275, 275, 50, 300, 275, 325, 50 = $4125 (Seven out)
    Round 8: $150, 325, 325, 275, 350 = $1425 (Seven out)
    Round 9: $375 (Seven out)
    Round 10: $325 (Puck number scored out)
    Round 11: $50, 350 = $400 (Seven out)
    Round 12: $375 (Seven out)
    Round 13: $325 (Seven out)
    Round 14: -$175 Puck Number scored out just after Don't Pass bet went full odds.)
    Round 15: -$25 (Seven Craps out before odds added)
    Round 16: $350 (Seven out)
    Round 17: $300, (+50), 300, 325, 325 = $1300
    Round 18: $375 (Quick Seven out)
    Round 19: -$25 (Seven Crap out before odds added)
    Round 20: $325 (Puck number scored.)
    Round 21: $150, 300 = $500 (Seven out)
    Round 22: $325 (Quick Seven out)
    Round 23: $50, 325, 350, -25, 50, 50, 50, 325, -25, -25, -25, -175 (Puck number hit, but continued betting until Seven out.), 375 = $1,575. (Seven out)
    Round 24: $50, -$25, 375 = $400
    Round 25: $50, 325, -25, 300, 300, 325, 325, +50, 300 =$1950

    Total of second set of 1-25 rounds... = $17,700 *********************************************************************************************

    Third set of One to Twenty-five bets:

    Round 1: $50, 325, 300, 325 = $1000 (Seven out) ($1000)
    Round 2: -$25, 375 = $350 (Seven out) ($1350)
    Round 3: $325, 325, 325 = $975 (Puck number hit.) ($2325)
    Round 4: $325 (Quick Seven out) ($2650)
    Round 5: -$175 ( Puck number hit after full odds placed on the $25 Don't Pass bet.)($2475)
    Round 6: $300 (Puck number hit.) ($2775)
    Round 7: $50, 300, 300, 375 (Seven out) ($3800)
    Round 8: $350 (Quick seven hit) ($4150)
    Round 9: +$50, 350, +$50, 350 = $800 (Seven out) ($4950)
    Round 10: $300, 300, 325, 300, 325, 300, 325, 300 = $2475 (Seven out) ($7425)
    Round 11: $300, 375, 325, 375, 325, 375, 350 = $2475 (Seven out) ($9850)
    Round 12: $325, 275, 300, 350, $50, 375, +$50 300, 325 = $2350 (Seven out) ($12,200)
    Round 13: $375, 275, 325, -$25, 350 275, 325, +50, 325, 325, -$25, 300, 325 = $3200 ($15,400)
    Round 14: $325, 325, $50, 325, 350, 375, 325, 350 = $2425 (Seven out) ($17,825)
    Round 15: -$25, -$25, -$25, $25, -$25, 350 = $275. (Seven out) ($18,100)
    Round 16: $325, 375, 300, 300, +$50, 350, +$50, 300, 375, 300, 325, 325, 300 = $3675. ($21, 775)
    Round 17: $350 (Seven out) ($22,125)
    Round 18: -$25, 350 = $325 (Seven out) ($22,450)
    Round 19: -$175 (Puck number hit.) ($22,275)
    Round 20: $50, 350, 325, 325, $50, -$25, 325, 300, 350 = $2050 (Seven out) ($24,325)
    Round 21: $300 (Puck number hit.) ($24,625)
    Round 22: $325 (Quick Seven out) ($24,950)
    Round 23: $325, 300, 350, 275, 300, 350 = $1,900. (Puck number hit) ($26,850)
    Round 24: $150, 275, 350 = $775 (Seven out) ($27,625)
    Round 25: $375, 350, 325, $50, 350 = $1450 (Seven out) ($29,075)

    Total of Set Three : Rounds = $29,075

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    Fourth Set of 1-25 Rounds' bets.

    Round 1: $50, -$25, 325, $50, 325, 275 = $1000 (Puck number hit) ($1,000)
    Round 2: $150, 50, 275, 350 = $825 (Seven out) ($1,825)
    Round 3: $325, 50, 300, 300, 300, 300, 50 = $1,625 (Puck number hit) ($3,450)
    Round 4: $325, 325, 325, 50, 50, 300, 325, 325, 50, 375 = $2,450 (Seven hit) ($5,900)
    Round 5: $350, 50, 325, 50, 300 = $1,125 (Seven out) ($7,025)
    Round 6: $50, 325, 50, 275, 325, 50, 350 = $1,425 (Seven out) ($8,450)
    Round 7: $325, 325, -25, -25, 300 = $900 (Puck number hit) ($9,350)
    Round 8: $50, 325, -25, 375, 325, -175 =$875 (Puck number hit) ($10,225)
    Round 9: $50, 375, 325, 325 = $1075 (Seven hit) ($11,300)
    Round 10: $375, 50, -$175,, -$25, 325, 350 = $900 (Seven hit) ($12,200)
    Round 11: $325, 50, (-$25), 325, 350, 325, (-$25), 300, 300, 325, 50, 300, (-$25), 325, 300 = $3,250 (Seven out) ($15,450)
    Round 12: $50, (-$25), 325, 325, 325, 325, 325 = $1,650 (Seven out) ($17,100)
    Round 13: $300, 325, 350, 50, 325, 325, 300, 300, 325, 375 = $3,275 Seven out plus $50 from the Come bet box.) ($20,375)
    Round 14: $350, -$175 = $175 (Puck number hit) ($20,550)
    Round 15: -$175, 275, 325, 50, 275, 325, 325, 350 = $1,750 (Seven out) ($22,300)
    Round 16: $50, 275, -25, 375, 50, 375 = $1,100 (Seven out) ($23,400)
    Round 17: $300, 325, 350 = $975 (Seven out) ($24,375)
    Round 18: $50, -$25, 325, 25, 50, 300, 325, 50, 325, 325, 325 = $2,075 (Seven out) ($26,450)
    Round 19: $325, -$25, 325, 375 = $1000 (Seven out) ($27,450)
    Round 20: $300, 50, 375 = $725 (Seven out) ($28,175)
    Round 21; $350, 350, 50, -$25, 300, -25, 275, 375 = $1,650 (Seven out) ($29,825)
    Round 22: $25, 375 = $400 (Quick Seven out) ($30,225)
    Round 23: $50, -$175, 175, 325, 375 = $750. ($30,975)
    Round 24: $300, 325, -$25, 350, 50, 350, 300, 50, 375 = 2,075 (Seven out) ($33,050)
    Round 25: $325, 50, -$25, 300, 50, 375 = $1,075 (Seven out) ($34,125)

    Total of Fourth Round of 1-25: $34,125

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    Now, I will add a strictly 'optional' side to this.

    If you are inclined to try it out. There is a video about chip and bet management that will open your eyes and may just work with 'any' betting strategy you use for craps. I'll include my own optional rule of this chip management below.

    1.) Start with a $10.00 bet, with full odds.
    2.) Fill the playfield how you like.
    3.) When you start winning chips, Do Not put them all into your betting stack. Put 'half' at least of your winnings into a clear tray and don't touch them again till your done playing. Close the lid if you need to.
    4.) Play until you 'Seven out'. Now this is where it gets 'fun'.
    5.) Instead of putting another $10.00 bet with odds down from your own stack o'chips, Double the bet to $20.00 with full odds . Just use the winnings you just won to pay for your next bets. You are only risking your first bet's $10.00 chip. By the time your second full bet of $20.00 bets does seven out, all your chips you started with should be back on your side of the table. Now put all your chips you started with into your racks and just use the winnings to continue the bets to $25.00, 30.00, 50.00 and so on.
    6.) If I confused you more... just look up ... "Stack it, don't rack it" or somesuch.

    Here is my set of bets starting at $10.00 with full odds, using my system with the 'Stack it, Don't Rack it' added.

    Round 1: ($10.00 Full odds) $150, 13, 150, -$10, -$10, 130 = $540.00 (Seven out) [$270.00 placed in savings rack.]
    Round 2: ($15.00 Full odds) $210 = $210 (Quick Seven out) [$105.00 placed into savings rack.]
    Round 3: ($20.00 Full Odds) $240 = $240 (Quick Seven out.) [$120.00 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 4: ($25.00 Full Odds) -$20, 260 = $240 (Quick Seven out) [$120.00 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 5: ($30.00 Full odds) $360, 390 = $750 (Seven out) [$350.00 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 6: ($35.00 Full odds) $420, 455 = $875 (Seven out) [$437.50 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 7: ($40.00 Full odds) $520, 480, 440 = $1,440 (Seven out) [$720.00 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 8: ($45.00 Full odds) $585, 540, 495, 90, 585 = $2,295 (Seven out) [$1,145.50 placed into storage rack.]
    Round 9: ($50.00 Full odds) $650, -$50, 650, -50, 650, 600, 600, 650 = $3,700 (Seven out)[$1,850 placed in storage rack.]
    Round 10: ($55.00 Full odds) $660, 825 = $1,485 (Quick Seven out) [$742.50 placed in storage rack.]

    Ok, see the pattern here?

    $5,860.50 you grossed in cash after you're done these ten rounds. And that's only saving 'half' of your winnings, imagine putting your winnings away and only using the chips you must use?

    Let's add everything up real fast.... Ok, it's $5, 860.50 dollars in chips you safely tuck into your chip rack and hit it lkke a rabid squirrel guarding a stash of walnuts. Ok, 'little bit-uh more math here... $11,721 dollars if you put everything away. But ya need to use chips to play ya rounds... so lets take a comfy 25% from your total winnings to figure in for your bets during your rounds above.... equals $2,930 for your margin needed for your bets. Just one more bit of figures... ok, after your fifth round given above.... your rest of your bets are pretty much covered, The rest of your winnings go right into your racks as 'straight profit baby.'

    I like math when it helps me figure out ways to further beat craps for some much appreciated dollar signs going in my wallet.

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    Hey, I am the first to admit that I am 'far' away not an expert, and I am still a considerable noob on this forum. And if there is 'anything at all' wrong with my math, systems, or my explainations, please please tell me below to help this system get better.
    Everyone, please chime in, or leave a comment, I will respond.

    Kimonoskunk <><
    Romans 10: 9-10. ^^
     
  2. Mark V

    Mark V Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    You might want to check out this video


    Hedging place bets with a large DP or DC 3:1 sort of ratio is common. The sting is when your Hedge gets hit to early on too frequently and your money vastly dwindles.

    The best way to play a hedge is 6:1 on the DP, then when the point is set go across one unit. One hit and take it all down including the DP and wait for the next shooter.
     
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  3. Kimonoskunk

    Kimonoskunk New Member

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    Ok, thank you for that reply. It shows I really need to study craps more, and I'll try again...
    ^^
     

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