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Roulette Fascinating Stuff

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Sputnik, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. Benas

    Benas Active Member

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    I not know from where you taked that text, but about this is writen not in one book. Main idea looks very logical, but what you copy paste is very simplified and not right from mathematical side.
    How much you increase and how much you decrease bets is not from sky, but that must be calculated depending on level how high you play.

    And this calculation is clue of all system...depending how often you lost, determine how much in % you increase bet and how much you go down, when you win.
    If player will choose not right nominals and not right % - all system - will fail.

    Main idea is , that after choosing line of nominals of bets which do player, by increasing and decreasing he must be as possible more often in the center of that line - so his bet must be as possible more often something like average bet.

    And by this player do bets in different value and some bet result is negative and some - positive. Every negative bet must have his pair - positive bet. Every such pair must gave some benefit for player.

    Not hard to understand, that in such play all meanings of bets and benefit from every pair can be calculated mathematically and some values are better, than anothers.

    This system is very old system, but how to calculate bets values in right way knows not many peoples...Usually peoples hate math and not want listen about it ...
     
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  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Sputnik,

    Thanks for actually sharing a system instead of playing the hint game like other members do. :)
     
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  3. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Because you're such a big fan of progression strategies?
     
  4. Median Joe

    Median Joe Active Member

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    That's right. So it's better to start your play at level 2 or halfway through level 1. If you start at bet 1, level 1 then if you win your first bets there's no way to lock them in.
     
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  5. Benas

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    Here is interesting moment - that is possible to calculate "best place", where player must start, depending on expected conditions. And not so hard to prove that, if player will start in another place - his results must be worse.
    If to look at such progression, as to some system - it is one of few systems which have at least some math background - why is possible to win and clear what we need for that...
     
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  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Well, I have struggled with betting after some zig-zag - the main reason is that I bet two attempts window.
    The problem I have is that if there is no strike and you get a series of two followed by a series of two.
    Then Chingy 711 raise his bet from 1 unit to 1.5 units.

    ..Red
    ..Red 1 +1
    Black 1 +0
    Black 1.5 +1.5

    The issue is that you then get one bet less.
    And we know we have 98.5% favouring six attempts and 1.5% to bust whole six attempts.
    So raising after such situations is not so good.

    One more thing is that I have 71 more pages to post where you can read about the 30.000 Euro and target smaller wins and more jumps between tables. Also, success stories from other members using the method with online casinos.

    I made a twist and test one side only - as all selections are the same and should give the same results.
    So if I win one of the first two bets and start over.
    I get higher up I aim to win any two wins.

    At first, it was all good - then comes the recovery phases - lol - was a nightmare :)
    And I record a video.

    But all is fine, Chingy 711 admit there can be times when you have to fight back to even and start over.
    I reach the third level once.

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    -10 - bust level 1
    
    +7 - recovery level 2
    +3 - recovery level 2
    
    -12 - bust level 1
    
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    +6 - recovery level 2
    
    -27 - bust recovery level 2
    
    +12 - recovery level 3
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    -11,5 - bust level 1
    
    -1 - recovery level 2
    +6 - recovery level 2
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    This is not clear cut as I am just experimenting, but I will Dig deeper into this.
    And if you can feel the money you will read and makes notes.
    Because I decide to upload the pdfs, the forum does not exist today.
    This is the benefit to copy things as things do not exist forever.

    I will upload the pages tomorrow.

     
  7. SPIKE

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    If you only bet when the conditions are good for your method there are no recovery phases.
     

  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Spike - can you be a gentleman and skip this topic - I'm sure there are some members that value your advice -
    I am not one of them.

    Cheers
     
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  9. SPIKE

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    I just don't see the point of betting if there are extreme recovery phases to go through. Each to his own. Shrug..
     
  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Run some RNG after the recovery phase and get back to reach win target again.
    And I record all my play sessions, so you can see the accurate results.



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    Still working on the FTL way Chingy implement.
    The examples in the first posts are pretty clear.
     
  11. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Punter wrote

    I’m in Europe so online casinos are always accessible.
    I don't get the US laws, how come you can just make an account on an online sports betting/gambling site, put the money in through Moneybookers and play?
     
  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Chingy 711

    Hi Nucky, There are probably a few ways I could fund one of the online casino sites, but I don’t trust any of them.
    Even some of the most reputable sites are questionable.

    Willian Hill and a few others have had players accounts hacked and the funds depicted, especially the accounts with larger sums.
    I don’t feel the risk is worth putting a few thousand in an account to fund my strategy to log in one day and find my balance at zero.

    If you do some research you find this isn’t just an isolated issue. Naturally, most of these cases are never reported other than to the online site and they will never admit it’s a serious problem. Most online gambling sites aren’t even regulated and even the one’s that are don’t have to show anyone their programs.

    If it was a matter of $100 or $200, I’d take the chance, but the $10 unit base of the strategy requires almost $1,800 to play all 4 levels.
    I’ve read stories of people losing $5,000 and up.
    They have a great run of luck and then suddenly log in to play to find out they have a zero balance.

    Hopefully this year the laws here in the United States are about to change and if they are regulated and supervised I will definitely consider playing online. Until then I play at the live casinos, where I can cash out my winning right there and not be subjected to all kinds of clearances or weeks for the mailman to show up.
    I feel if my credit card transaction can be approved in seconds, then my cashouts should be approved and handled at the same time.
    This is a multi-billion business and if any of these online casinos ever realize how truly important their reputations, are they could easily be the leaders of this industry.
     
  13. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Punter wrote

    I guess that's ok with large sums.
    In a real casino, the only fear is from the pit boss and the all-seeing cameras.

    I do have a casino nearby but for some low stake playing and trying out systems, don't think its worth the trip.
    On the other hand, yes i believe that accounts with larger sums could just “disappear”.

    But I think not all of those emptied accounts are the casino's fault.
    A lot of people get carried away by the bonuses awarded for large fundings of the account.
    Of course, nobody reads the fine print of the bonus terms and then it easily turns out to be bonus abuse.

    So I guess it's 50:50, some are just too lucky with gambling and that can't be allowed, the others don't read the rules. One more thing. I just stumbled upon a strategy in one of the topics that are exactly like yours as far as progression goes. But it uses adaptive betting. It seems that it perhaps would be better to use adaptive betting. Because that would, in most cases, overcome what I hate the most, zig-zag in doubles like RRBBRR and then it switches to RBRBR.
     
  14. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Punter wrote

    Hi I have been following your system and I must say it looks very good, one thing I would like to ask Atlantis is which casinos can one play for minimum of 10p stakes in the UK
     

  15. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Chingy 711

    Hi Joiner, I’m sorry, I don’t play on online casinos and are don’t know their betting limits.
    I’ve read that a few on this forum play at William Hill and they have a minimum of 10p.
    Maybe others might post and if there are other sites. Thanks for the interest.
     
  16. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Punter wrote

    Hi Tom, Smart Live Casino - Live Roulette Games - Low Limit Autowheel has a minimum of 10p units for EC. There may be others… eg: DublinBet.
     
  17. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Chingy 711

    Well, I’ve have my first loss of all 4 levels of the strategy yesterday.

    I went to Empire City yesterday and things were going fairly well. I was playing a $30 base unit and was up almost $800 when I ran into the zig-zag nightmare on 4 different tables.

    The first table lost was 5 quick RBRBR. The bets were $30, $48, $66 $84 & $102 = (-$330)
    The second table lost was the same thing. The bets were $45, $72, $99, $126 & $153 = (-$495)
    The third level was up and down but finally failed. The bets were $90, $144, $198, $252 & $306 = (-$990)
    The fourth level was a nightmare because I ran into three consecutive “0”. If I would have been in Atlantic City it wouldn’t have been that bad because they return half your bet when the greens show up ( 0 - 00). The bets were $180, $288, $396, $504, & $612 = (-$1990) In total with the wins I had before the nightmare the lost was $2850 for the day.

    It has been a very good run for me in total, I was up $10,650 up until this $2850 loss. So I must say it’s been a long run than I expected, I’m up $7800. The game plan is now to start over again at a $10 unit base. Plus I will go back to 6 steps instead of the 5 steps I have been using in all four levels of the strategy. So the bankroll will now be $1,725! I’ll play the same way hoping to progress to a higher unit base if the bankroll grows a few times. I was really hoping to make the $50 base unit this time, but I can’t complain! I have learned one thing if my bankroll does grow and I do reach the $30 base unit again I will have to play in Atlantic City because of the rule of returning half of the bet when the “0” & “00” zero show up.

    It would make such a big difference to play on a single “0” wheel. It’s been a very interesting run. My friend Chris who is using the strategy is still doing great with the strategy, he’s over $40,000 so far playing. He plays a little different only using 3 levels instead of 4 levels and he goes all 6 steps in each level. His bankroll for the $50 base units is $4,125 for the 3 levels compared to $8,625 for all 4 levels of the strategy.
    Most of his play is in Atlantic City and he gets back half his bets when the green ( 0 & 00) hits. So for all of you trying my strategy, remember you will lose with my strategy, hopefully, you’ll be lucky and be up many times your bankroll before the loss does come. It’s a hit and run strategy, but the streaks will reward you! It’s all about giving yourself a chance a the tables and hopefully making a few bucks more often than our losts.
     
  18. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Personal Notes ...

    Here Chingy 711 confirms playing against five zig-zag.
    And in the beginning, we could see step by step betting.

    I will do some RNG videos upon the original by Chingy 711
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Punter wrote

    Hi ching-a-ling,
    Sorry to hear of your bust-out.

    THE 5/5 ANGLE
    ==========
    A way to play might be to wait for a TRIGGER to bet.
    I set this one as:
    If 5 successive chops (singles) then bet 5 times for SAME AS
    LAST
    If 5 successive series (repeats) then bet 5 times for OPPOSITE
    OF LAST
    After the 5 bets - win or lose - wait for the next sequence trigger
    before resuming at the next point of progression or start of
    progression depending on the outcome.

    Example Session:

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    B - L0.40             +2.80
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    R - W0.30                +7.60
    R - W0.40                +8.00
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    Of course a lot slower, but maybe safer? I suppose you could
    play faster on rng.
    Profit=+137units (playing at 10p whole units)
     
  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Personal Note

    I will stay with the original Chingy 711 selection with my next videos.
     

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