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Roulette Fascinating Stuff

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Sputnik, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    The Legend Snowman wrote

    Up as you lose progressions are a foolish endeavour.

    You can’t win much with an up as you lose progression
    because your first bet must be very low. It also doesn’t make
    sense, mathematically, to risk your entire bankroll while chasing
    just one unit!

    A better method would be to bet a percentage of your bankroll at
    each spin.
    This would enable your first bet to be much larger, and if
    you’re lucky, have a chance at a large win. As your bankroll
    grows, so does your bet!

    Searching for “just the right up as you lose progression” is like
    trying to reach ZERO by dividing any number by TWO.
    After a while, you’ll think that you’re getting really close but in reality,
    you’ll never really quite get there because an infinite series still
    exists between you and your goal.

    Furthermore, watching on the sidelines for a string of rare
    events is a waste of time. You’re simply delaying the
  2. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2020
    Absolutely inevitable. At least you made some profit, be thankful it didn't happen right away. Unless you think you're going to do it again and have to learn your lesson three or four times
  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    Chingy 711

    Hi Atlantis, Midnight Skulker, Houston, & The Gang!

    Well I just got home from Empire City, wasn’t as crowded as
    I thought it would be for the Fourth of July. It was a little
    starting over with the $10 base unit after playing the $30 base
    It’s not as exciting especially after taking a sizable loss the other
    but in hindsight, I feel I had a very good run and honestly
    didn’t expect
    the run to be as long as it was. The bottom line is I’m still up
    playing the Ching-A-Ling.

    Today went well, I picked up $260 for the few hours of play,
    plus I won
    $400 on one of the slot machines. The roulette wheels were
    showing a
    a good run of streaks, no really big runs but a lot of 3 or 4
    reds and blacks. It’s going to be a “grind” but my notes show
    distribution of series is very close to 3/4 of all spins I’ve

    In light of that fact, I still have good vibes with the strategy
    and will
    follow my own advice, “If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.” The
    has produced more winners than losers so far and it’s clear
    it’s due the
    distribution of series compared to single even money
    events. I’ll keep
    at it and see how long of a run I can have before another
    “lost” comes ago.

    Even if I get half the run I did before the other day"s loss, I
    would be delighted.
    Atlantis, I find the 5/5 ANGLE interesting, but it’s not for me.
    It’s a hard enough
    grind with the Ching-A-Ling, but this would requirer wait to
    much downtime for
    me. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a “Grinder” in the truest sense,
    but this is something
    that would drive me crazy. Running all over the casino
    checking the roulette display
    boards looking for the “trigger.” Thanks for the thought, I’m
    going to ride out

    the Ching-A-Ling til I lose the $8,000 I’m up with it at this point
    or just keep progressing
    up the ladder ($10, 420, $30, $40, & $50 base unit)
    every time the bankroll triples.

    Where I’m at in profits right now I can incur 5 total posts at
    the $10 base unit of all
    4 levels of the strategy. I honestly don’t see that happening.
    Thanks anyway, Atlantis!

    Hi Midnight Skulker,
    You’ve been a class act ever since I started posting here,
    you’ve always have
    read my post not sounding off on me with negativity. Yes we
    have different views of
    a few things, but you have always been considerate. Some
    people here think I don’t
    know about the odds or the house edge or standard
    deviation but I’m well aware of
    all the math, all that I question in my mind is what is truly
    random? The Chaos Theory
    and the Butterfly Effect is a truly interesting theory which
    many scientists have given
    serious thought to.

    What drives me crazy is that one can do a
    million trial and the
    percentages always come close with little standard deviation.
    that alone amazes me!
    Random means something altogether different to me, there
    shouldn’t ever be anything
    that predictable and still be random. It’s not the independence
    of the single event it’s
    the group of the sampling as a whole always falls within that limited range of standard
    deviation even in a trillion trails. Well, thanks for being a class
    act no matter what are
    differences are. My hat is off to you too!

    I agree most progressions are a foolish endeavour, but I feel
    in this case with this
    strategy it help me survive a little longer at the tables in the
    hope of running into
    the colour streak series. I’ve never once told anyone this
    strategy they were going to
    make big money with this. I told everyone it was a total
    “Grind”, just like a job and
    there were no guarantees of a paycheck. All I did was offer my
    results and the theory behind
    the strategy. It’s not a Martingale in the true sense of risking
    everything to make 1 unit, it has limited levels with multiple steps. I clearly understand
    the strength of betting
    a percentage of bankroll for the potential of a much large win,
    but with this strategy

    I find it’s best the way I use the negative progression with this
    strategy. The power of
    my strategy isn’t in the progression it’s in the distribution of
    even money appearances
    of series. I’ve done testing of thousands of groups of 100
    trials and its amazing
    series account for 3/4 of all sample trial groups. That tells me
    all I need to know, might
    there be a better betting process, absolutely! This is the best I
    could come up with and
    have the results I’ve had. When I realize that Ching - A - Ling
    is another losing system
    “I’ll FIX IT”, by moving on to something new!
  4. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    Personal Note

    Up 10.000 Euro and Bust and still up 8500 Euro - nothing wrong with that.
    Everyone who plays will lose, is part of the game.

    Last edited: Jan 13, 2022
  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    The Legend Snowman wrote

    In time, you’ll realize that you can’t step outside of probability and that your series is simply reducing the number of spins on which your betting. They aren’t helping you. Conditional betting over 100k spins isn’t really testing a system over 100k spins.
    You can only count the number of times that a bet has actually been placed in a simulation.
  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    Chingy 711

    In my original testing with RNG’s, I took handwritten notes
    and you are correct there were only approximately 5,000 actual bets and
    the results were well over (+) 230,000. In further testing after that, I
    would say I have another 10,000 spins were actual betting.

    I’m well aware that this is a very limited number.
    My other testing involved hundred of thousands of spins just to see if the results would show
    series account
    for 3/4 of all trials.
    Those testing results did confirm the statistics of the distribution of appearances of series.

    My live play results don’t account for many “actual” bets,
    The highest positive result was almost $11,000 and now $8,300 with a lost
    in between.

    I don’t have the time to get away as much as I like with having
    a job that requires much of my time. But my friend Chris, who is using
    my strategy is a professional poker player, has been playing almost
    every day for a few hours and is over $43,000 ahead.

    He plays a little different than I do and play only a $50 unit base.
    He likes the math of the appearance of series, and he has even suffered 1 loss so far.

    I know I need a lot more actual live play to get a truer picture but the numbers do seem to hold together.
    You have to realize there have been days where I have reached my day's goal in a few hours of play and only
    placed 50 to 100 actual bets.

    There’s no stepping “outside” of probability, the thing is I’m trying to live within probability and avoid large standard deviation.
    If the series can stay anywhere near that 3/4 percentage, mathematically
    I have a great chance of winning consistently.
    If I can control my lost limits a positive result is possible, even over time and maybe the law of large numbers!
  7. Christopher Burns

    Christopher Burns New Member

    Jan 6, 2022
    Would this strategy work for baccarat?

  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 28, 2014
    I would not recommend this strategy until you find a selection that gives the same results by the Author Chingy 711.

  9. Smallie

    Smallie New Member

    Jan 30, 2022
    Hello this is my first post here. Thank you for this topic. I remember following this Ching a Ling system in the original forum it was posted in.

    Do you know if the person who created this system still plays it?

    I haven't properly used this system in the casino myself. I understand some of it but there's a few things I don't quite get

    Level 1 - $5-$8-$11-$14-$17 = $55
    Level 2 $8-$12-$16-$20-$24 = $80
    Level 3 $15-$24-$33-$42-$51= $165 ——————————————————————- Total = $300

    For the above £5 bet system, I know you increase the bet by £3 if you lose on level 1 but do you go down by £3 if you win?

    And say for instance you have reached the end of level 1 and you bet £17 on red and you lose, will you then bet £8 on level 2?

    And if you win this bet do you then go to the end of level 1 and bet £17 again? Or do you stay on level 2 until you win back all the money you lost?

    Thank you to anyone who replies
  10. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

    Dec 30, 2014
    True enough but I don't know how this helps. If one always bets for a repeat it still ends up 50-50 flat bet.

    The drawback for this method is slow recoup. Let's say after losing $148.00 in 1st stage( or near enough because at times one will be close or go over that exact amount) start next stage at $15.00 ?? One is going to have to win 10 units in this stage to recover. Even with a 2 WIAR restart at $15.00 is a long haul. So, IMO, the progression is not robust enough. I think a better idea would be to drop back two steps on a WW. After that consider to drop back one step or two more depending on amount needed to recover. Yes, this will increase escalation and bankroll requirements but one will recoup much faster.

    I never understood this. Sure, it's always nice to stop a session on a win. That's good for a guessing game. But if you have a winning method then what matters is proper bankroll and getting as much money on the table as the method allows. Moving from table to table has no measurable advantage. There's always the Black Swan because Risk of Ruin can never be 0%. But 5% is good enough to gamble with.


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