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Baccarat Finally found a winning system!!!

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by letswintogether, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I am not influenced by past decisions at th at the Baccarat table. Anyone who does can consider the choice fire L:UCK. No genius Baccarat player in my eyes .


    Strictly FTL. Either for the pre selected choice or follow the table.



    Play at your own risk.
     
  2. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

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    Those that dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it - Winston Churchill, no less.

    Lessons from the past may not always ward off doom, but they can provide insights into the present and even the future. - unknown; hijacked by Lungyeh

    Whilst this may apply to our Money Management lessons of the past ie reasons for walking out a loser even if one was ahead, it should equally apply to bet selection in certain circumstances. Note I said reasons for walking out a loser. I attributed it to the Chimp and I said its a REASON. Some read it and sneered and said that’s what losers will give as an excuse. Whatever. Some here on the forum never lose.

    Studying and respecting the history of previous results to my mind, is fundamental to the game. I believe nobody bets on a toss of coin. If you know of one, show him the direction to the morgue. Be that as it may, therefore, one perceives his own patterns from the historical bet results of the prevailing game and then, depends on his PBB (Preferred Bet Bias) will then choose to bet - either he wants to continue the pattern (trend) in which case he is a trend follower or he chooses to discontinue the pattern in which case he is an anti-trender. Or he is unsure (or maybe a random guy), he chooses not to bet? Isnt that what the game is about?

    Now the actual result is a different thing. He may or may not win. But the issue of the bet is that one would bet on or influenced to bet on either a trend continuing or changing. What historical patterns is subject to individual perception.

    One can argue if the historical patterns are all there is to decide, the casinos will run out of business. Same as in shares or futures trading. The common pattern deciphering, double top, double bottom, hammer, hanging man are all common patterns to look for. People often interpret the same signals make the same bets and often times make their profits. Then will come along one day in what George Soros terms as “strategic inflection point” when the expected result is the unexpected and most of them loses. And loses more than they have won.

    But maybe Baccarat players take pattern recognition to a different level. Pareidolia is the psychological term for pattern recognition. In Baccarat, pattern recognition can only come from historical records, no?
     
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  3. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    In someone’s head MATE. Skipptophia.
    Thanks for your effort re random and it’s posted information much appreciated. Enjoy your furlough. Cheers
     
  4. soxfan

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    Gotta say I feel like the baccarats peasant when cats on here can trend their ways to 66 percents strikes rate, hey hey.
     
  5. Lungyeh

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    Soxfan, please indulge me. How do you bet if not discerning your decision from what is happening before you? Or just bet banker in pre determined waves? Which is also pattern based supplemented by rock solid bet money management?

    Whilst the trend % win may be subject to ridicule, I really don’t understand the brickbats thrown against pattern/trend following or breaking. In life, people make decisions on certain patterns, well, usually. Frontier pioneers like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are generational visionaries; notwithstanding. Not everyone can be them
     
  6. Craps

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    If you are someone who do not think too much of consequences and ready to put relationships and responsibilities at risk you have a better chance to succeed than the person who do otherwise. They are two brand of Baccarat players in this forum. The ones who try to out smart the game. These are the players that can win big. Quite a lot gambling involved . And then there are players like me who is not looking to beat the House but looking to avoid losses Mindset is to grind small little returns with manageable losses.
    Two different animal altogether.
     
  7. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    In someone’s head MATE. Skipptophia.
    Yes it’s either following the last or opposite the last decision you pretty much deconstructed the game of baccarat in all its simplicity. Nice 100% agreement.
    I somehow deleted the rest of your quote dam phone, so I will address the last few paragraphs that got deleted.
    Pattern recognition is an inherent trait of human it helped us to evolve from the jungle in alerting us to predators, etc , we have not lost that natural ability and I’m often amazed by the math people blowing patterns recognition off . No big problem to me.
    The key is YOUR preferred bet bias, ( pbb funny it just seems to say play banker banker to me lol maybe should call it preferred selection bias psb and one can see that the reading vs comprehension level of some readers can lead to some repetition questions lol I digress) . Everyone can see to use the stock example the doji star , evening star , the harumi, hammer etc and you correctly stated that everyone can still lose, I mean everyone.
    How is that so. ?
    The same information is presented for all participants to equally see and out of an example ten people, 8 ,will lose , 1 abstain, and 1 won . You are correct in stating it’s the preferred bet bias.
    Perhaps the issue is actually “how much weight” the individual has placed on certain designated terms and their meanings or influence, harumi may weigh more, no pun intended, to myself than to person on my left.
    When it comes to stock I fall into the wd gann sphere of thought, I find it true and tested, I’m not talking angle or his esoteric writing side. If anyone interested google wd gann, It’s too involved to explain here.
    The issue of baccarat is the same degree of weight to past events need to be accessed, the individual remember ten of us at the table now 8 win 1 no bet, 1 wins.
    The 8 lost review the same pattern in the historical context of the shoe assume the shoe is at hand 65. A couple may collaborate, a few used an entirely different interpretation to each other yet they all arrived at making the bank bet as the pbb. Individually and collectively with out consultation banker lost.
    I used to sit and play at the squeeze table years ago and remember vividly thinking, talking, discussing with the group ( as you know one can be quite friendly even as strangers share the same objective) and be incredibly amazed that the whole table could be wrong , not once but bet after bet to the stage where everyone just got up and left the table. I’m sure I’m not the only one to have ever observed a mass exodus.
    At hand 65 we see the whole shoe on the screen,we can see and interrupt any and all patterns ( here I’m not arguing with non pattern supporting posters this forum so save the retort) yet the results was a loss.
    I have seen and played repeating patterns and I still do to this day on the stadium set up. But I place a value on the historical data, a filter of time, as I have stated I’ve played 300 to 600 plus hands straight on the rng stadium continuous updated results logged, 650 hands is no difference to 65 hands of a dealer dealt shoe of 8 decks. The same basic patterns in all the various guises we all know about, the 2, the 3 s the mirror image of twelve hands of 4 then 2 then 4 etc. it’s all there and only in my humble opinion is time the the dominant filter.
    I put other filter in of course, basically I follow the last decision always and if it’s chop then I chop as it’s the last decision .
    So yes you are correct as far as I can say and see. The weight is a factor that needs to be factored in.
    I have posted previously various threads that as a rule I will approach a stadium game view a few hands back as say this one is being dealt, I’m loading the machine with bankroll, setting up my session game play. What I see is not understood by some , ( that comprehension thing or perhaps the readers lack of viewing a fuller picture without having to constantly walk the readers through every sentence lol ) ( me just being the ashole that I am. Wgaf) is that the time filter ( for lack of a better term) for me as I’m playing an infinity game is actually starting right then and there with the initial observation, the hands being now dealt as I ready my self plus the 3;4;5 hands that are dealt just prior to my arrival AND the continued hands become the immediate historical data that I use for ME, and my assessment of the unfolding results in front of me. I can mostly adapt and change as need be and even then that’s not enough and some days just lose, I have posted previously results to that effect on another thread. It’s not rocket science nor is it a given.

    We may beg to differ ( we as in the generic we ) on the actual value of , the relationship of the past data be it ten hands or the start of the shoe or perhaps the first column of the stadium screen but I would think the statement you , the quoted poster, made as it being a PBB should cover all known or unknown varieties of historical data.
    As stated often by myself and others the historical data or hands just played have no bearing on the future outcome BUT we , you ( generic) and I choose to put some weight on that past data that leads us to choose where our next bet placement will be. We as humans cannot do anything else but view the last hand , be influenced to bet against or follow, it’s an undeniable fact.
    if you only bet bank , or player unless it’s the first hand of the shoe you are a follow or an opposite player as you rightly suggested.
    Cheers
     

  8. Craps

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    So, you have your own madness to come out with bet selections sometimes consistently and sometimes inconsistently. The question is how that can translate to more wins than losses? If there is a MM involved, then there will be options to win. But pure Flat Betting? I congratulate and envy you for your success. No I'll feelings just pure envy and a bit of jealousy. Ha! Ha!
     
  9. Craps

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    Having you heard of Cheat sheets?
    Template play? You do not need to read the shoe. Just trace from the template and manage your money rather to bust your head coming out with selections. The skill is in the money management.
     
  10. Lungyeh

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    ...... The skill is in the money management’. Gee, tell me about it.
     
  11. Craps

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    Oh! This management is not a type of immediate progression or anything. It's like what you preached which is the overall health of your bankroll from the result of the compatibility of the template with the shoe..One popular move is the Tier Flat Betting which is instead of progressing after a loss, it's Flat Betting with increased units in stages.
     
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  12. Craps

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    Just like what you prescribed. Template and Shoe with a lot of contrast = Sar Chi phase. You will be surprised there are many exact mirrors of sections of Template with Shoe. It's the same shit Choppy or Follow or Against but difference you are off making bet selections. The template does all the work.
    I used to chose a fellow bettor whom I think is going to win on a particular day and follow every bet he made. If I like what he bet, I will go higher if I don't like, I either sit out or bet lower but never against. The purpose is to just concentrate on bet amount and not on bet selection.
     
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  13. mansi19896

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    Nathan over 30 years of playing, what has been most longest drawback of units for you overall in your management, surely you have experienced it all after so much time
     
  14. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Mansei,


    Good question but gambling is and was never the final point in my life . I can take it or leave it.


    I am not restricted to one casino game only .



    Units are not the only way ........Off Amounts can do the trick too .
     
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  15. Craps

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    Since we are on the subject of this up 1 pull 1 aka NYNY progression, I strongly believe IMO this Should Not come into play before a winning hand. What it means is one cannot have this progression planned out before a bet because that very first bet forces one to double up his units. It is very useful especially high rolling where in the middle of a grind, the player wishes to push his luck and made a substantial bet and wins and that win SHOULD then be treated as the all important first bet of this NYNY progression therefore a regressed 2nd bet equal to half of that previously won bet would be continued with a D' Alembert hence 212345.
    This action will force the player to be conservative and also jump start the player to take advantage of forcing a winning trend.
     
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  16. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    he New York 212.........



    For Baccarat 21223344.


    For Roulette EC 212345
     
  17. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Don't be timid : Have BASLLS. It`s the Second bet after the trigger why wait. Go for 2 -1.before demising probabilities take over .



    Play at your own risk.
     
  18. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    correction : diminishing probabilities ..
     
  19. Craps

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    MM cannot change odds. The advantage of the NYNY is to represent a 'launching pad' for players to guarantee a win from a series. The drawback is the first bet . One is forced to double up which in fact can neutralize the effectiveness of this MM in the long run. Otherwise, tripling the first bet is even more juicy.
    Play 10 hands. Win 5 lost 5. Out of the 5 wins, One successful 4 in row. One 3 in a row and Three 2 in a row. Do the Math and you end up winning approx. NOTHING. in fact in the red !!
     
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  20. soxfan

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    It was not my intent to heap ridicule, scorn or derision upon anyone. Honestly, I'm in awe of the baccarats prowess of some of these cats, hey hey.
     

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