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Baccarat Flat Betting Possibilities

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Baccarat Magician, Dec 14, 2021.

  1. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Suppose you pick a fixed BS and as you're waiting for your plays you write down the W L registry of that BS and just use that as a data stream looking for your own entry. Now you got 2 data streams. EZ PZ
     
  2. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    each data stream that you produce will have a different pattern

    Pick your poison from these 4 streams

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  3. SPIKE

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    They are just watered down derivatives from the main stream, they're not unique. It's like betting just black and red in roulette. You can make up other streams for black and red but they have no real significance.
     
  4. SPIKE

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    But it's not a pertinent data stream to the next outcome. It's just a random data stream, how is that going to tell you anything. From looking at the data stream in baccarat I'm familiar with the outcomes enough to know what's likely to come next at certain times. A data stream made up of somebody's wins and losses is not going to tell me anything.
     
  5. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    A pattern is a pattern. Regardless of where it comes from. The patterns of a win-loss registry it's no different than the pattern of the main road or any of the other roads.

    You "know what's likely to come next at certain times." I won't push back on that since I have a 53.4% strike rate for live wagers. So you're choosing patterns like everyone else. I'm simply saying that those same patterns exist whether you use the derived roads, the main road, win-loss registry, O S, etc.

    The last thing I'll say is you seem to have very few limited opportunities to make a wager based on your patterns. Once again it would be pretty easy to have four or five or six datastream from the same shoe which will give you more betting opportunities than you currently have. You can have the last word I'm done.
     
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  6. SPIKE

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    If your strike rate is only 53% you just made my argument for me that the patterns you are using are worthless. My strike rate is more than 53% and I'm just using the main stream. I just don't see enough bets to make it worthwhile. And no, a pattern is not a pattern. If that were true I could take the pattern from red/black in roulette and apply to baccarat and I can't do that.
     
  7. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    53% strike rate gives me a little over three units net per hour. Not exactly worthless in my opinion. But I guess one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
     
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  8. SPIKE

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    What I meant by worthless was 53% is so close to the margin of error I would think you're not going to make a dependable profit with it.
     
  9. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So far so good. LOL
     
  10. Punkcity

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    The reason why you don’t wise up a chump is because the person is a chump to start with and one is wasting one’s time trying to share common sense.
    He’s comfortable in his own box, fair enough, equally he should realise that others don’t necessarily need his point of view on the other topics he spouts about.
     
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  11. Nathan Detroit

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    Never wise up a chump made the full circle .
     
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  12. SPIKE

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    I don't know who you think the 'chump' is, but I've been looking at streams of information daily since 2004 and you cannot water down one stream and think it's going to be accurate as to what the next outcome will be. The biggest reason is you only have two spaces you can bet in baccarat, banker and player. Look at the high/low bet in roulette, for instance. You're betting on the first 18 numbers or the last 18 numbers. You can change this and make a new stream of information by using the streets. You now have a new set of 18 numbers going against another new set of 18 numbers. It's nothing like the original high/low bet. You can't do anything like that in baccarat because you're stuck with just two outcomes, it's like flipping a coin. And bac is considered random but it doesn't look like the random that you see in roulette. There's something different about it and the patterns and streaks and trends produces are not the same as roulette. I think it's because a shuffled deck is a done deal. Nothing's going to change it once play it started. And roulette the game starts over, it resets itself after every spin. That's why it can be beat. That's its weak spot. That, and like all table games, the casino has to take your bet and it can never change what it does. You can change everything you do.
     
  13. cps10

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    I would take 3 net units per hour. That’s above 1 unit. And in an hour a day? Good with that!
     
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  14. SPIKE

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    He's talking about in the long term not every hour of every day. If I could play Baccarat and make a guaranteed three units an hour for every hour I played then I would play it because the units can be any size. Three units per hour over the long-term is a totally different deal.
     

  15. Punkcity

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    Jimske was gracious enough to offer you something to think about, you in this situation are the chump.

    No I don’t speak English

    The definition of chump here in skipptophia is a moron wrapped in arshole. Fair enough to be a moron and you get the concessions that go with it , that of course being a moron will not be any wiser after or before a fact is gifted to them so no one really expect the moron to say anything of value in reply. Now tell an arshole something and the arshole will throw it back in your face , belittle your advice or package of information and then proceed to tell you that you are wrong. The “arshole” failed to understand anything yet proceeds to drive its own ill informed opinion about a subject it knows nothing about, by the way the “arshole” is on record stating it’s a non expert on the subject of baccarat yet would bet on the game if he could become proficient.
    Here the moron wrapped in arshole fails to see someone is giving them a FREE opportunity to wise up on the subject.

    Jimske was attempting to open a dialogue to increase the understanding of baccarat as being a non binary play.

    Lucky for you Spike, chump must mean something different in America, I understand it means dimwitted there .

    please note.....
    Not that I’m calling you, spike , a moron wrapped in arshole, but in skipptophia the translation is as posted. So I guess I can think of you in skipptophia speak yet communicate with you in American politically correct nice softly hush hush soothing words of chump.
    I know you are not a mathtopian and that’s a saving grace if there ever was one.
    The dialogue could have progressed to help you, spike and others to add another string to your bow. As you walk through a casinoverse there a number of income streams that are easily and freely available to each and every one of us. One should not necessarily be restricted by only 1 income stream. I’m on record here this forum previously posting that I can harvest many units profit as I walk through because I have situational awareness and can think out of the box that the casinoverse and poster similar to your posts want all of us to play in.

    You had an opportunity, your ego let you down, you claim 1 + unit per session, good for you.

    I would suspect the profit is not as you proclaim due to the fundamental personality problems you display. You talk the talk but your walk through your various posts suggest your walking doesn’t back up your talk. Perhaps chewing gum and walking at the same time is a bit much for you.

    I do believe some time you get your unit profit and I truly applaud you for that. I also think others are gaining some excellent advice from you. Shame you don’t follow your own advice as you would have had some excellent input from jimske.
    No problem.
    Cheers
     
  16. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    But the opportunity doesn't work, I don't see your point. I didn't belittle the guy, I didn't call him names, I didn't make fun of his family. I just said it won't work very well. What was I supposed to say. But you have a bigger problem, it took you three hundred words of pointless garbage to make your point. Try to be more brief next time, thanks in advance.
     
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  17. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Lol , and your dementia excuses you and you long posts I suppose. Lol.

    Just because I reply to your post don’t mean it’s about you . ( necessarily lol)

    The me , me , me me. I’m faultless. Lol.
    No sense of humour
    Lol.
     
  18. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Over 200 words, what is your point? You don’t have skin in the game ( experience) yet you say it’s wrong.
    Just say
    I’m not interested, thanks but no thanks. My routine on roulette serves me just fine .
    Lol. Hypothetically a hypocrite. Or is it a hypocrite of the hypothetical ?
    lol. Cheers
     
  19. SPIKE

    SPIKE Well-Known Member

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    Basically that's what I did say. Learn how to interpret English.
     
  20. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    Lol so much for getting to the point was the point. So everyone else should learn how to interpret what YOU say ( remember your using a dictation program) in English but everyone else should be short and to the point with their posts because they are not little [removed, pay to advertise] you bully oh spike.
    Is that correct?
    Hypocritical at the minimum.
    Cheers
     

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