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Roulette For you morons that follow the tote boards

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by jbs, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Sharp,

    It's a long ways from a classic system. You can call it a system if you'd like, as the word system is basically the same as saying strategy or method, but they weren't trying to beat the random game of roulette. They were going after the wheel!

    Such defects have been around and taken advantage of for hundreds of years. Numerous cases have been widely reported on, documented in gaming journals, risk conferences, bood etc. They're even discussed somewhat openly by wheel engineers.

    Writing numbers to find biased wheels is a very old "system," but it does work.

    What's funny though is you could tell hundreds of people how to do it, but most would fail, even if they found a biased wheel.
     
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  2. Sharptracker

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    And what is even more funny for example at BJ is that even with an edge and perfect play you can give up.

    It's true i have seen one particular strong wobble but it's too far from me to take data.
     
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    Very true, especially when you are playing alone, always the same numbers each spin, and profiting each week-end, you are openly telling the pitboss your wheel is biased :D:D and counter-measures come and this is the end. I remember the last time I played on my biased wheel, the girl at the cashier asked me when exchanging my chips: "Was it good?" and I answered: "Not really", I lost 700€.
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Wobble isn't the biG winner that you may think that it always is. There are many different types of wheel bias.

    There are big edges, and then there are trivial edges like in BJ. It's not always just enough to have an edge. You still need foresight, a solid comprehension of variance, and a solid bankroll to make sure that you don't go broke before you can dominate the random game.
     
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  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    How long do you need to play before your edge dominates variance (luck)?

    Pretend that you're playing on the even chances.
    Imagine that you have an edge of 1,2,6 and 10 %.

    How long would you need to play to overcome a streak of bad variance (luck)
    Think of luck as simply being represented as the square root of the number of spins played.
    Think of bad luck as being -2x (the square root of the number of spins played.)
    Think of really bad luck as being -3x (the square root of the number of spins played.)

    Or course good luck has an effect too, but right now most people are interested in the bad luck. It can't be ignored, it can't be side stepped, you can't really avoid it. It is what it is.

    Now compare bad luck verses a small edge on the EC, and a large edge on the EC.

    In short games, bad luck can be a real problem.
    However, after thousands of spins the edge dominates even the worst luck.
     
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  6. Sharptracker

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    If wobble is not the big winner, what is the best kind of bias to play ??
     
  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Loose frets, lobes, pocket compartments and or inserts.

    Lobe is just kind of jargonish like term to describe or say a section of the wheel.
     
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    And do you have to use light to detect them? You use also sound when ball is jumping?
    How long does it take you when you started to detect one wheel? It's quite hard when you're imagining like this without know what you're looking for.
     
  9. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Sharp,

    I got to where I could find some on sight. Others did take a lot more time to find.
    It took me a long time to figure some of this stuff out.
    Yes, sound is useful.
     
  10. Sharptracker

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    I'd like to show you this link for example.

    If you're going to 7:40 when he launchs the ball we can see a little light (see the picture), Is that what we should try to observe when he spins? There s also light on the cone, but this one is useless?

    light1.JPG
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Sharp,

    You're smart. The pocket insert...there's the money. Look for changes there.
     
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    Thanks!

    Here in the spin at 7.54, we can see it moving but i don't know if it's not because of the point of view that it is moving or not. What does it should produce if there's a defect in the insert?

    I guess it must be hard to explain it if we don't have any picture :confused:

    I was thinking also, if it was a good way to detect wobble. I learnt from you that it wasn't the best bias to play but just to know if that was good way or not. You see on the cone there s a big light that is reflecting, if i don't move and see the light becoming much more wider and then become more little and repeat the same process always, i was thinking that it was obviously coz it is wobbled. Am i right?
     
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    Don't try to hunt wobbles. There are lots of them, but that type of play if far more difficult. If you still find inserts, hunt them.
     
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    The good point is that i have many roulette close to me, many of them are not apropriate to play VB but i'll hunt insert defect many of them are not new, i got time to do it.

    What should it produce when there s a defect on a special insert?
     
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    [​IMG]

    You're entering the classified realm. LOL.

    I will PM the details.
     
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    Great! But i was reading upper that i need 300 posts at least to access messaging:confused:
     
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    BET JACK.......I see you have a lot to add lately.

    Ken
     
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    Hell yeah it is lot's of fun ...
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