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TurboGenius Gambler's Fallacy (absurd ?) Proof II

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by DutchCrown, Dec 11, 2021.

  1. Ka2

    Ka2 Active Member

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    Ok thanks!

    I "guess" this is also the only way to win at roulette. Not betting every spin and be more right than wrong in the bet selection.
     
  2. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Random has no limits.

    Think of the number
    stream like this.

    1. In one spin, how many different ways can the numbers hit? The answer is of course 37 or 38 if there's two zeros on the wheel.
    2. What if there are two spins? How many different ways can you arrange the numbers?
    3. What if there are 100 spins? How many different ways can the number stream be arranged?
    4. How many patterns are there where one number hit's every spin?
    5. In 38 spins, how many patterns are there where each number hits just once?

    I don't expect anyone to answer the questions, it's really just about helping you guys think about randomness in the correct way.
     
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  3. SPIKE

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    No, it's about letting people know what you think about randomness. Which is very very limited in scope. You have never looked into it at all yet you think you know everything about it. When obviously you know almost nothing. But ignorance is bliss or so I've heard.
     
  4. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    Correct.

    Let everyone be informed that SirAnyone intentionally misrepresent the "skewed" framework of random.
    Don't ever read his misleading posts that are designed to brainwash you.
    Or MJ or Benas posts.
    Or even my post.

    If you are unsure and want true fact, google or watch youtube which are authentic.
    Don't trust anyone's on here including mine. Caveat emptor.
     
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  5. thereddiamanthe

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    Lol someone's just been dropped out of graces .. Semper exelsior.
     
  6. Median Joe

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    Right, because we know everything on the internet is true, even if it contradicts something else. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Bombus

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    No, and we must include the zero, so the answer is of course 10 no matter the how many zeros on the wheel.

    In two spins, also 10 arrangements.

    Again, 10.

    The question is vague, but I would answer minimum 4 and maximum 7.

    That's easy, 10.

    True random is boundless, roulette cannot escape it's boundaries so can never be truly random.
     
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  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Sorry bub, but I prefer to think about randomness in the incorrect way. Since when have you been designated the randomness police?
     
  9. Ordinary_people

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    I am at the random has limit side

    Because if random dont have limit.

    Why in 37 spin never have 37 different number

    OR

    Why the even chance like red/black, even/odd, high/low never reach 50 or more consecutive streak

    OR

    1 dozen / 1 column never reach 20 consecutive streak

    In billion spin or more when the first time roullette game created ?
     
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  10. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    SirAnyone has intentionally spread misinformation about probabilities on gambling forums.

    The probability of say 2 #1 in 37 spins is 99.99%

    The probability of 10 #1 in 37 spins is 0.00014%
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  11. Luckyfella

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    MJ has also intentionally spread misinformation about probability that is false.

    Independent spins does not mean the probability of roulette game is limited to only 1/37.

    Independent spins mean that the basic probability is counted under unconditional probability.

    There are plenty of other probabilities that we can calculate.

    Independent trials does not mean that all other statistical math become inapplicable. Statistics math does not end because of independent trials. That's what MJ is intentionally suggesting that is false.
     
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  12. Luckyfella

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    To clarify, the probability shown is any number. And not #1.

    I suggest #1 as an example of any number. So that readers can understand better.
     
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  13. Luckyfella

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    We do make mistakes about probability and math. We are not perfect. Mistakes does not mean we lack understanding.

    I admit I made plenty of mistakes.
    I studied pre-university math 40years ago.

    The important thing about mistake is we correct ourselves. Fact remain unchanged.

    Same as failure, we fail if we give up.
    If we stand up after a fall, we learn.

    What's wrong is to spread misinformation on gambling forums. By repetition, as a form of brainwashing.

    The discussion is about math. Not about the person.
     
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  14. Ordinary_people

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    Agree
     

  15. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Because there's only 37 ways in which that exact pattern can occur within a gazillion spins. There are more ways for such a pattern to not occur than there are for it to happen. I should also note, that an internet friend did see such a pattern after running a zillion sims on a computer program. You too can see it happen if you're a coder. Just keep running sims in a continuous loop until it happens.

    I witnessed 26 reds in a row at the Taj Mahal Casino in 2007. If you were to watch enough spins, then you'd eventually see 50. The probability of seeing it hit again after seeing even 50 in a row is still 18/38, because the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.
     
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  16. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    MJ is very well educated. You'd be wise to carefully study his posts and stop slandering him as though your some kind of jealous child or gypsy huckster.

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    Knowing the probability in no way enables you to exploit it, or side step probability in order to get the edge. If you're calculations are correct, then the results should tell you that you should not bet because the probability of winning is still short of the house payoff. Claiming otherwise is the fool's folly.
     
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  17. Luckyfella

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    MJ has no formal degree in mathematics.
    His knowledge in math is self taught.

    MJ can't deny both these facts.

    He has not posted evidence of his accusation that I attempted to sell to someone on another forum.

    This is the real slander based on evidence.

    Anyone can check post history to confirm the evidence.
     
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  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Lucky,

    The way you attack him with baseless claims is slimy. He presents facts, logic, and common sense. Meanwhile you attack, slander, and act very much like some kind of scamming gypsy playing hint games.
     
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  19. Luckyfella

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    You are entitled to express your opinion.
    Best you speak for yourself.

    You also slandered me making a post to agree and cheer MJ's original slander post.

    Anyone can check your post history for the evidence.
     
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  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Why are you playing the "hint game"?
     
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