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TurboGenius Gambler's Fallacy (absurd ?) Proof.

Discussion in 'TurboGenius's Forum' started by TurboGenius, Oct 29, 2021.

  1. Ordinary_people

    Ordinary_people Active Member

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    Are my answer close to the right answer for your question ? @Luckyfella

    Thanks
     
  2. Luckyfella

    Luckyfella Well-Known Member

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    I don't bet against the limit of random.

    Explanation,

    10 reds in a row, I don't bet against it to go 20reds with a negative progression.

    Or,

    Bet for it to continue to 20 reds in a continuous trend.

    Important question to you and everyone,

    If you don't bet for or against 10reds in a row trend to hit 20 reds in 20 spins, what else can you bet?

    If you can answer this question, you are the smart gambler who defines the game to win.

    If you can't answer this question, you are not able to find the winning bets.

    Figure this question out first before you do any testing, coding work.
     
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  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Random has no limits. Claiming otherwise is foolish.
     
  4. Ordinary_people

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    Can there be no hotties and sleepers?
    Can

    Do pockets remain hotties and sleepers?
    No

    Is there a limit to "hotness" and "coldness"?
    Yes

    Is this limit predictable?
    Yes

    If yes how?
    This last question yes for what. Related to the limit predictable or ... ?
     
  5. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Why just today he saw 90 reds in a row - and then he saw the same street hit 30 spins in a row...
    then he saw the same number appear 10 times in a row and then 10 more in a row !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's amazing. It didn't happen.
    A foolish person would say that something that has a 1 in a trillion chance of happening "can happen".
    Random clearly has limits.... which is WHY we know when a wheel is bias.
    If you see a small section of the wheel that is +8 std deviation for 1,000 spins - do you say
    "sorry, random doesn't have limits.... this wheel is just fine"
    Who's being foolish ?

    You base your play on wheels that aren't producing random thus giving you the advantage
    and have statistics showing the results are not random...... then deny there are limits.
    Strange.
    Having it both ways and arguing both sides must be fun.
     
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  6. Luckyfella

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    Final question,

    Consider this different series of spins,

    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8......(in ascending or descending order with no repeat)

    35,2,7,19,29,12,6.....(no orderno repeats)

    35,2,7,19,29,12,7.....(with repeats)

    1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1.......

    All these spin series are theoretically possible. We don't know what series will hit in future spins.

    Do all these different spin series make no difference to your betting strategy?

    If they do make a difference, which series cause your strategy to win and which cause it to lose?

    Base on your strategy which spin series do you prefer to hit more/less?
    Does it hit more/less?
    If yes why?

    Thank you for reading.

    Cheers
     
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  7. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Fail ? NO ! No Fail !!!!
    It can happen, it's perfectly normal - this is what random does.
    I'll let the RX people know this is just what random can do and this isn't a fail.
    They must not have gotten the memo that random doesn't have limits.
    Just a random wheel producing random results without limits. Who knew.


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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    RBRBRRRRRBRBRBRB has the same chance of hitting as
    RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Like I said Turbo, it's a bridge too far for you.
     
  9. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That has nothing to do with random having limits.
    Either of those two are equally as likely to happen.
    If it goes on for the entire day...... it's not random.
    Learn what random is and then sell me that bridge.
     
  10. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    All of the experts, mathematicians and history say your wrong. Why do you suppose that is?
     
  11. Luckyfella

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    I missed out another area of contention.

    Consider these spin series.

    R, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r, r....

    R, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b, r, b...

    R, r, b, r, b, r, b, b, b, b, r, r, r, b, r, r, r, r, r, r, b, b, b....

    Do all 3 series continue infinitely?

    If not, which series do continue infinitely?
     
  12. Ordinary_people

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    Yes like so far i know in 1 shoes baccarat approx 70 hands never been all player or all banker although in theory yes can be
     
  13. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Where do they say that I am wrong ?
    I've looked up so many definitions of "random".
    Nowhere does it say that it's "without limits".
    Did you create that yourself to argue with ?
    Are you confused and think "anything can happen" means "random" ?
    Because.... that's not what random means.
    I have yet to see the wheel spin a #43, have you ?
    Is the game confined within 37 or 38 possible outcomes ? I hope so.
    Can we measure when the results of a wheel are random or bias ? I hope so.

    Do you ever stop and think for 10 seconds or do you just click "reply" and
    grab a meme and post the same thing ?
     
  14. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    What determines the probability of a number hitting?

    1. The number of pockets on the wheel in which the ball can land?
    2. The previous numbers that have hit?
     

  15. Ordinary_people

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    @Luckyfella

    I want to answer this question in this forum. But maybe, once again just maybe will be the answer to who does not have a hard work to figure out.

    I know u, turbo, two up, dutchcrown, denzie and others who want to help people in here although not get anything from us. Dont want give a food in silver plate. I can understand that.

    Can i contact u ? I am not yet can PM.

    I promise not ask you to reveal full version how you play. I just want to tell you the my version answer for your question plus want to tell you about condition i face about my casino live dealer.

    Are still possible for me.

    If you think my question is not rellevant. You just can abandon it.

    Thanks
     
  16. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I wonder what kind of hellish life Galileo Galilei had to endure as each and every expert
    who had existed before him told him he was wrong.
    If only there was a Sir Anyone around in 1580 to constantly post papers on his
    walls and to tell him he was wrong and that he should listen to all the experts.
    All those years wasted - everyone knew the earth was flat. That foolish man.
     
  17. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Is the image I posted above from RX showing "random" results ?
    If so, I will let them know to remove the "fail" display.

    Take your time. If you say it's not random then random has limits.
    How to answer ? You decide.
     
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  18. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Galileo huh? Well, at least you're not comparing yourself to Einstein again! LOL!!!

    Again, does the number of pockets on the wheel determine the probability of a number hitting or do the previous numbers?
     
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  19. Ordinary_people

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    All the series dont continue infinitely in the definition not exact the all the same order.

    But maybe close to continue infinitely is series 3. I say this from point of view because series 3 is random.
     
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  20. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Ahh, we play "avoid the answer".

    Fair enough. My IQ is higher than Einstein's was reported to be.
    Actually it wasn't that high....it was impressive but there are people alive today
    that make his IQ look like spare change. Is that an "expert" in the history books you
    want me to listen to ? Just asking because he was wrong on several important things.
     

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