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Baccarat H & S Baccarat System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Apr 11, 2023.

  1. JacobBlaze

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    Yes, it's a fine balance, and it definitely becomes an issue of your appetite to gamble
     
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  2. fathead

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    JacobBlaze here are some shoes with the "(Hand Number / 2)+5" increasing on every decision that you requested. I stopped after 10 shoes. You do win most shoes with reasonable bankroll. On this series you lost a little, maybe -290 units.

    Profit - Bankroll
    +47 - 77
    -(1287) - 1331
    +46 - 203
    +61.50 - 30
    -(287) - 1436
    +42 - 42
    +36 - 36
    +57.50 - 298
    +68 - 42
    +64.50 - 68
    +43.50 - 72
    +60 - 30
    +35.5 - 26
    +47 - 80
    +26 - 11
    +29 - 91
    +58.5 - 40
    +48 - 15
    +8.5 - 219
    +38 - 92
    +10 - 2
    +29 - 152
    +36 - 62
    +25 - 20
    +51 - 42
    +38.5 - 26
    +24.5 - 50
    +21 - 171
    +13 - 54
    +37 - 214
    +61.5 - 96
    +40 - 208
    +38.5 - 9
    +32.5 - 2
    +42.5 - 18
     
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  3. Zhang Wei

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    How do you get to a 700 unit bet in a shoe?
     
  4. JacobBlaze

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    My units are $2 so $1400 bet , I'm playing with a bankroll of 3000 units so $6000, so far I'm up 851 units thru about 15 shoes working from ideas posted by fathead but with a different bet selection, in actual play my biggest bet has been 115 units, that 700 unit bet was my worst shoe in testing so far...
     
  5. Zhang Wei

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    Sorry, I don't get it.
    You start the shoe at 1 unit.
    Then you +1 unit to the bet size after every round, win or lose.
    At the end of the shoe the maximum bet size so far is only 80+ units.
    How are you able to increase your bet size to over 80+ units?
     
  6. JacobBlaze

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    The way I'm doing it is a version of fatheads original post, if I'm even or ahead I flat bet, if I'm down I bet the previous bet plus half of the hand #, this is a milder progression then the original. Once I'm even or ahead by 1 unit I flat bet again.

    In my case the minimun bet here is 5 units , so that is what is start and I add when needed in 1 unit increments.

    Quick example if im flat betting and I get negative for the shoe and it's hand 10, then my bet would be 5 unit minimum bet plus 5 units, half of the hand #, in fatheads original post he was adding the full hand # to his progression when needed to, reread his original post
     
  7. JacobBlaze

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    Thanks,

    On the two shoes that were lost in your example i would have kept the progression going into the next shoe until I busted or ended the shoe in profit
     

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    They both continued on for 10 shoes then I stopped and took the loss.
     
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  10. JacobBlaze

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    Do your databases make it through these ultraconservative bet progressions, using your original post just the second way increasing on each loss or win, too much grind, but you are only going for 1 unit a shoe
     
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  11. fathead

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    No, the max bet is less than 45 for the whole test so they don't make it very far :) (Hand Number / 2 )+ 5.
     
  12. JacobBlaze

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    ??
    Maybe I'm confused ,,sorry

    But if you are not positive into the next shoe doesn't your system continue to add to the the bet, for example if you are on second shoe and still grinding at a loss from previous shoe, you are on hand 60 then the bet should be about 65 units, and if you are still grinding into the third shoe and at hand 40 your bet would be about 90 units, this assumes you were on hand 70 and at 35 unit at the end of 1st shoe etc, I thought that is what you did in your original post? Thanks
     
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  13. fathead

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    Sorry, I thought you were asking about your latest idea (hand number/2)+5.

    In my original post, on a loss only, you add Hand Number to Last Bet to calculate current bet. Your profit goal is the Shoe Number (so one unit per shoe). If we are below profit goal then we continue to add Hand Number to Last Bet to get current bet.

    Going into any new shoe below profit goal, however, the Hand Number drops to "1" so you would add only "1" to Last Bet to get the current bet. So you slow down the rate of increase in bet and make another run.
     
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    On your latest idea, (Hand Number/2)+5 it is a simple calculation, you are never adding to previous bet. So at the end of Shoe#1, let's say Hand 72, the bet would be 36+5 or 41. Going into Shoe#2 your bet drops to 1+5 or 6 (0.5 rounded up to 1 plus 5 or you could reset to 5). So your minimum bet each new shoe is 5 or 6, maximum bet no more than 45.
     

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    JacobBlaze, what you could do is keep a count of your bets (Bet Count) and change your calculation to (Bet Count / 2)+5 so it would carry over to future shoes. I think CPS10 is using a Bet Count instead of Hand Number. I will run some sessions below until I get a bust with a max of 10 shoes, Banker only, increasing bet after every decision.

    Profit - Bank
    +28 - 42
    +62.5 - 24
    +100 - 290
    +23 - 53
    +30 - 69
    +8.5 - 49
    +20.5 - 59
    +16.5 - 26
    +6 - 70
    +14 - 28
    +29.5 - 662
    +61 - 33
    +55 - 2.5
    +11 - 6
    +36.5 - 63
    +18 - 12
    +35.5 - 93
    +103 - 1037
    +33.5 - 156
    +14 - 86
    +20 -108
    +39.5 - 114
    +136 - 727
    +33.5 - 38
    +33.5 - 41
    +125 - 0
    +59 - 15
    +53 - 429
    +75.5 - 346
    +47.4 - 767
    +86 - 35
    +53.5 - 825
    +40.5 - 42
    -(15667) - BUST
     
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  16. Zhang Wei

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    Ok. I reread fathead's original post. Thank you.
    The progression too aggressive for me.
     
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    Here is another version that I was playing around with today. This is Super 6 for JacobBlaze. We keep a running count of Banker Wins. Bet selection is Banker Only. The bet calculation is PREVIOUS BET+BANKER WINS increasing the bet only on a loss. If we are ahead by +1 or more we flat bet the table minimum, 5 units. I will run sessions below until I get a bust (stopping on first shoe with profit or max 10 shoes).

    The theory is that in Player heavy shoes, the bet will increase slowly, in Banker heavy shoes the bet will increase more aggressively.

    Profit - Bank
    +53 - 18
    +63.5 - 25
    +33 - 429
    +33 - 43
    +28 - 66
    +59 - 478
    +34.5 - 104
    +32.5 - 0
    +64.5 - 7
    +20 - 42
    +45 - 158.5
    +104 - 549
    +9 - 166
    +90 - 0
    +80 - 127.5
    +30 - 130
    +21 - 131
    +32 - 178
    +20.5 - 51
    +17 - 84.5
    +32.5 - 0
    +25.5 - 46
    +8 - 28
    +47 - 7
    +56 - 41
    +26.5 - 335
    +57 - 23
    +74.5 - 58
    +45 - 75
    +10 - 10
    +64.5 - 45
    +122 - 235
    +32.5 - 31
    +51 - 48
    +33.5 - 73
    +167.5 - 1049
    +44 - 131
    +48 - 316
    +92.5 - 0
    +262.5 - 19846

    Okay, not technically a bust, but 19,000 units, most people would not have this. I think I will play around with this version or something similar a bit more. Maybe increasing on a win instead of a loss to take advantage of the Banker heavy shoe.
     
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  18. Zhang Wei

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    Wow 100% profit.
    Very nice.
     
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    Here are 65 more sessions. Strategy is same as before. Bet selection Banker only. Calculation for bet size is (Previous Bet + Banker Wins), increasing the bet on a Loss only (Note... I tried increasing the bet on Win only but it kept busting).

    Profit - Bank
    +44 - 15
    +42 - 12
    +52.5 - 40
    +8.5 - 32
    +65 - 21
    +18.5 - 236
    +8.5 - 48
    +29.5 - 117
    +60 - 99
    +42 - 10
    +28.5 - 112
    +13.5 - 6
    +75.5 - 202
    +32.5 - 104
    +37 - 71
    +24 - 158
    +28.5 - 918
    +11 - 41
    +45 - 15
    +70.5 - 238
    +38 - 204
    +767 - 4316
    +31 - 120
    +37.5 - 1055
    +26 - 309
    +6.5 - 178
    +44 - 992
    +50 - 13
    +59 - 570
    +30 - 35
    +23 - 78
    +77 - 188
    +23.5 - 190
    +31.5 - 1356
    +41 - 13
    +45.5 - 50
    +39 - 80
    +17.5 - 29
    +56.4 - 131
    +23.5 - 141
    +139 - 653
    +55 - 15
    +95 - 361
    +12.5 - 23
    +31 - 537
    +26.5 - 122
    +27 - 52
    +31.5 - 54
    +16.5 - 37
    +54.5 - 20
    +52.5 - 132
    +30 - 10
    +14.5 - 61
    +61.5 - 108
    +59.5 - 461
    +78 - 120
    +14.5 - 122
    +50 - 10
    +58.5 - 108
    +26 - 336
    +32.5 - 109
    +167 - 989
    +39.5 - 392
    +6.5 - 32
     
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  20. fathead

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    Here is this idea on the difficult shoe where there were 20 Players in a row, betting Banker only. The 'Hand Number' column I replaced with 'Banker Count'.

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