Baccarat H & S Baccarat System

@fathead Out of curiosity, have you tried just playing B after only BB. Or adding another P to PPP and play B along with BB. Hope that makes sense.

 

Fathead said: "if you get too conservative you will get into a situation like Bactz's system where you just cannot get ahead in some shoes. This is why I don't really like Oscar's Grind that much (+1 on any win is too conservative and often fails"

In 1998 Ian Harmer said, "But because OG increases the bet by just one unit each time, playing it through a series of losing streaks is like trying to get out of a quicksand: the harder you struggle, the deeper you sink."

 

Yes, it makes sense. Both of the configurations you mentioned bet on the Banker side, a good policy.

It seems like I have tried everything. I guess everyone goes through this, once they start to research the game. If you bet follow the last, then the chops will cause you to lose every bet. If you bet decision before last, you catch the streaks and chops but the twos will kill you. If you bet for streaks, chops and twos then the one- three- one will cause you to lose (BPPPBPPP). No matter what you do there is a nemesis sequence. Even betting randomly you have long losing streaks.

 

How does OG fail?

 

With a simple arithmetic +1 after each win bet it is difficult to succeed at higher bets. Going from a bet of 1 unit to 2 units is a big jump. Going from 50 units to 51 units is almost flat betting. You need a progression that is more aggressive, not quite geometric to do well. These more aggressive progressions eventually bust as well, though.

 

Thank you for your explanation, fathead.
I agree that more aggressive progressions have better chance of winning more in a shorter period but also bust more frequently as well.

 

Hi Fathead,

Will you be able to send me PM as I still cannot send PM myself. Thanks in advance

 

In the spirit of fathead sharing with.the forum I'll share how I'm playing using his MM ideas, with random bet selections

Two shoes I played just now +128, last session about 4 days ago was also +129, with 18 straight win streak, I'm betting randomly based on winning or.losing score which is also picked randomly lol...
Up 1257 units since fathead introduced this idea playing between 2 to 5 shoes a day (session), initially I took a 3000 unit to the tables but never even had to use 500 units yet....

This is not exactly how fathead set his rules, just tweaked it to fit my particular casino and progression appetite..

My minimum bet is 5 units .and I flat bet if I'm even or ahead in the shoe, I add half the hand # to my bet so if we're on hand 14 and I went minus then my next bet would be 12, the original 5 bet plus half the hand # which is 7....

In my casino minimum bet 5 units but can increase in 1 unit Increments,.it's also super 6 and you have to bet every hand starting at hand #3

Started 302pm
Hand#, bet, w/l, total
3, 5, L, -5
4, 6, w, +1
5, 5, l, -4
6, 7, l, -11
7, 10, tie
8, 10, l, -21
9, 14, w, -7
10, 18, l, -25
11, 23, w, -2
12, 28, l, -30
13, 34, l, -64
14, 40, w, -24
15, 47, l, -71
16, 54, w, -44 (super 6, 27 unit commission)
17, 62, l, -106
18, 70, w, -36
19, 79, w, +43
Start flat bet again and look for an out from this shoe, depends on # players, how slow they are , if there are any open new tables etc ... Im happy leaving a shoe plus 20 units
20, 5, w, +48
21, 5, l, +43
22, 5, w, +48
23, 5, l, +43
24, 5, w, +48
25, 5, l, +43
26, 5, w, +48
27, 5, l, +43
28, 5, l, +37
I almost quit here after two.losses in a row and slow player taking forever to open his hand (I always do face up), but slow player busted and left so I decided to play on
29, 5, w, +43
30, 5, w, +48
31, 5, w, +53
Decided about here to.quit on next loss
32, 5, w, +58
33, 5, w, +63
34, 5, w, +58 units
Quit shoe and went to another table

Second and final.shoe of the day, planned short session today and shooting for 50 to 100 units and maybe two to four shoes.....

Started at 345pm
Hand#, bet, w/l, total
3, 5, w, +5
4, 5, l, even
5, 5, w, +5
6, 5, l, even
7, 5, l, -5
8, 8, l, -13
9, 12, w, -1
10, 16, l, -17
11, 21, tie
12, 21, w, ,+4
Back to flat bet
13, 5, w, +9
14, 5, l, +4
15, 5, w, +9
16, 5, w, +14
17, 5, w, +19
18, 5, w, +24
19, 5, w, +26 super six pays 2.5 I only track the 2 and leave the .5 off, use them as tips about $1
20, 5, l, +21
21, 5, w, +26
22, 5, w, +31
23, 5, w, +36
24, 5, l, +31
25, 5, w, +36
26, 5, l, +31
27, 5, w, +36
28, 5, l, +31
29, 5, tie
30, 5, w, +36
31, 5, w, +41 1 unit error on card
32, 5, w, +47
33, 5, w, +52
About here I decide to quit on next losd
34, 5, w, +57
35, 5, w, +62
36, 5, w, +67
37, 5, w, +72
38, 5, w, +77 (9 winning streak)
39, 5, l, +72

+130 units through 2 shoes but had an adding error so cleared +129 units

Funny how just by coincidence I'm getting about 65 units a shoe, recently something fathead pointed out earlier in the thread


I'll attach the scorecard but it's barely legible....

 

Shoes from previous post...I'm unable to.post for some.reason I'll ask fathead to.post....

 

Congratulations on your big wins.

 

@JacobBlaze your betting strategy: you're basically just flipping a coin or is there more to it and I'm missing it. Because those are some pretty great results.

 

Yes something like that, just make random bets banker or player but not based on any of the patterns you see on the Roads... Base it in the color of the cards or the # of cards drawn, winning #, losing # etc...just keep it random.. it has losing streaks too of course, but with the low units that I'm playing and Fatheads MM it has been winning so far... If you read junket kings posts he has an MM based on configuration of labby strings as bets get out of hand, this is similar but easier to follow for me... But Junket King basically concentrated on keeping his losing streaks as short as possible, but if you have played this game long enough you realize losing streaks and black swan events are at every corner no matter your bet selection.... I will post a shoe from last night that has been the worst it got for me so far and needed over 500 unit bank to make it through back to positive territory....

 

This is the worst shoe so far since live testing, I'm now up about 1398 units since beginning (about $2800), about $2 unit equivalent

This shows how quickly the big bets come if you have a bad shoe...

Biggest bet this shoe 222 units ($444), and was down 529 units, if that bet when down 529 units would have been lost then I would have been down 735, remember I have dedicated a 3000 unit bankroll to this live test

19 loss, 9 win thru hand 32 when down 529 units

Ended shoe 20 loss, 13 win

Started midnight 5 May
Hand#, bet, w/l, total
3, 5, L, -5
4, 6, w, +1
5, 5, w, +6
6, 5, l, +1
7, 5, tie, +1
8, 5, l, -4
9, 9, w, +5
10, 5, l, E
11, 5, l, -5
12, 10, l, -15
13, 16, w, +1
14, 5, l, -4
15, 12, l, -16
16, 19, l, -35
17, 27, l, -62
18, 35, l, -97
19, 44, l, -141
20, 53, l, -194
21, 63, w, -131
22, 73, w, -95 (super 6 win, 36 unit commission lol)
23, 84, l, -179
24, 95, w, -84
25, 107, l, -197
26, 120, l, -311
27, 133, w, -178
28, 146, l, -324
29, 160, w, -164
30, 175, tie
31, 175, l, -339
32, 190, l, -529
33, 206, w, -323
34, 222, w, -101
35, 133, w, +32
(bet adjusted down here as I was fine only being up +30ish this shoe after being down 529 units (about $1040), bet should have been 238 units, but if it would have loss then I might be digging myself deeper down a unrecoverable hole, this fits my appetite for gamble... I have made this type of adjustment about 4 times since starting this live test, and of course I would have won the big bets ... )

36, 5, w, +37 (back to flat bet 5 units, plan to quit on next loss)

37, 5, l, +32

Quit +32, $2 units, about $64

 

Ended the night +141 after 4 shoes and 3 hours of playing, normally don't play all shoe

 

I do like the MM part of this certain play/idea but have to play smaller units for when you do get that one bad rip. I probably would have bailed down 500+ units.

 

Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the late, gr8 john-O would absolutely wet his-self at the very prospect of havin to pony up and come over the top push a 222 units bet on the felt! Zeus wept, hey hey!!!!

 

Curious if anyone has made any modifications to this and/or is still using it.

 

i use random vs random with a stop loss of -5 stop win +3 up 1700units past year flat betting

 

wish some 1 could help me with playing the whole shoe instead of hitting a running but i guess whatever works