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Roulette "Hit & Run"....until when?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by mr j, Sep 14, 2017.

  1. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You won't change my opinion :)
    This has already been done countless times in the past - there are probably codes on the RX site as well. Using some 12312311233 method is no different than using the actual values they represent - you have done nothing but change the name of the location and then try it again ?
    Dozen 1, Dozen 2, Dozen 3, Column A, Column B, Column C converted into 123ABC doesn't change the math and it doesn't change the results.

    It's already been tested - the one losing session (even if it's rare) removes the profits from all of the many winning sessions. This means the player can only hope to play and not have a losing session (Hit and Run). Which again doesn't change a single thing. It's like thinking that if you only play for X spins for Y days you will somehow come out ahead of the other player who played for the same amount of spins in a row. It doesn't work that way, no creative way to limit the amount of spins that you play gives the player an advantage.
    So as I said - everyone working on ideas can discard these types of ways right away - work only on things that are played "every spin" and there is no tracking spins or entry point or exit point - you play as soon as you sit down and leave when you choose to.
     
  2. Kattila

    Kattila New Member Founding Member

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    I don t use the classic dozens or columns and wait until they fit into some pattern.
    I create groups by numbers or splits and order them into some patterns, if new numbers or splits hit i put them into same
    sequence/pattern. At some point the order/position of groups will change, that is
    sure.
     
  3. mr j

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    Its the old conversation of, the definition of past spins. I also agree, using one or more numbers that have already hit to signal what/when to bet something, are past spins. No need to be shy about it.

    (not for AP) >> I did a GREAT thread years back....post your method showing that not even one PAST number is used for betting purposes. Many posted but all failed. Where people get confused, is it a big deal or not?

    I say no but others cant have it both ways. Do I use/need numbers from 800 spins ago?

    No, usually within 80-150.

    Ken
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Kattila,

    You're drowning in the gambler's fallacy. In time as you gain some experience you'll realize that dressing up and labeling past spins with absurd letters or anagrams is about as silly and worthless as putting a screen door on a submarine.
     
  5. Kattila

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    GF or not, the groups still will change the position at some point.
    Don t tell me ( even if new numbers will hit and i put them in
    the same pattern /so i lose few spins) that the groups will not
    change position.
    Yes i know sometimes hit the bad run/sequence, but
    most of the times there is a change....
    Now you will tell me that random will hit me
    always with same order over and over, no way.
    Random is limited by order, i can say that the order is the best enemy of
    the random.
    Don t you see that (because random) the numbers and groups can not
    stay in same order ? Past spins/order useless ? No way .


    This is just an example ,not the exact way i track/wait /play ...etc...
    :




    P.....pattern




    NR P or P

    12 a a
    4 b a
    23 a b
    7 b b
    34 a a
    4 b a
    18 a b
    9 b b
    28 a a
    3 b a
    5 a b
    29 b b
    33 a a
    1 b a
    17 a b
    15 b b
    .
    .
    .
    .

    ----------------------------------------------

    Nr P or P

    11 a a
    14 b a
    25 c b
    7 a b
    34 b c
    24 c c
    11 a a
    13 b a
    28 c b
    36 a b
    5 b c
    29 c c
    31 a a
    19 b a
    27 c b
    30 a b
    4 b c
    8 c c
    .
    .
    .
    .

    Also can use splits or streets.
     
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  6. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    That's an oxymoron. Random is random. There's no difference when playing against a past sequence, verse just making up a sequence at random in your head. You can play against either and the results will be the same.
     
  7. Kattila

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    Quote:

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    There's no difference when playing against a past sequence, verse just making up a sequence at random in your head. You can play against either and the results will be the same. **

    There is a difference...the ordered position of the groups.....

    *Past ordered sequence* Vs *random sequence in your head*
    POS vs RSH
    Remember POS are not prederminate groups , are created from the last few spins.

    POS = abcabcabcabc......
    RSH = acbcacaabcca.......

    - in the first we see same position ( position 3) between same group of numbers,
    higher probability to hit position 1 or position 2 in the next X spins
    - in the second we see chaotic / random sequence , chaotic positions between same
    group of numbers, probability to hit..... any position

    Also,
    I know one spin is independent , but one group of numbers is not independent anymore
     
  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Katila,

    If each spin is independent, and the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then each series of spins is independent as well. Claiming otherwise is again, a kind of oxymoron.

    There is no difference between a made up sequence and a past sequence that has just hit. Perhaps you can demonstrate the math that proves otherwise?
     
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    That's what losers have to say.

    The more I play the more I win.
     
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    HE is constant like gravity, it pulls you down and you have to apply a stronger opposing force in order to overcome it.

    Whether you play 1 spin or a million of spins HE remains the same, if you don't want to get wet don't get in the sea...
     
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    So if I bet 1 number for 1 spin I've 2.7% chance to win, while when I bet it for 100 spins I still have 2.7% to win once?! o_O
    It's like you are claiming that we are running motionlessly, what you say makes the same sense.
     
  12. NormaSmith

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    yeah, I think so
     
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    Nice analogy Blue.
    You could also say that gravity and the HE are actually relatively weak forces to overcome.
    Eventually, its the size of your own exposure/your mass, that amplifies the effect of those forces on you.
     
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    You think so what?
     
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    All are relevant...stop after 1st win or after 1st loss??
    In both cases you are expecting a loss after a win/loss, but neither is true all of the time.
    Wins to losses ratio could be balanced or one way street at times, so by changing table or stopping it's like we think we know what's coming up next, but if this was the case then why not to stay and bet the opposite if I'm expecting to lose?
    Have you ever thought about it?
    You can bet anything which can happen so by quitting makes no sense.

    Another nonsense is to set a win goal per session, what does it mean I'm aiming for 50 units or 50% net of my bankroll?

    Do all sessions have to confine within your prefixed limits?
    What if you stop by achieving your session's win goal but while you sit on the table without betting you find out that if you had continued you'd have won 2fold the amount which you have already pocketed?

    Winning in gambling can never be like a 9 to 5 salary, not in terms of profit expectation, nor in duration to expectation ratio.
    Random cannot be predefined within certain limits of money and/or time, but when we set these kind of limits we are missing the chance to win anything more than our session's limit when results are favorable AND when they are NOT favorable we'll risk/lose more than we are aiming for.

    These kind of money management and 'hit & run' tactics will never make you long term winners, key to success is elsewhere thus you have to rearrange your point of view.
     
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