Baccarat How does this sound to you guys?

I can make the claim. I am not a liar. Little nugget of information which can be backed by Roubacc. I am a retired police officer. The last five years of my career was in Internal Affairs, a division where you integrity cannot not be called into question. I am also a civil litigation specialist where I testify on behalf of my agency at depositions. Trust me I am not lying to you.

 

Huh? This forum does NOT, to my knowledge, advocate any betting method! That's a funny thing to say.

Safe? I don't get it? You must mean in relation to a small bankroll. Agreed. No brainier that any progression must win cumulatively more big bets than small ones. But a lot depends on W/L registry. With progressions it is possible to lose more hands than win and still profit. Not so flat betting.

Yes, I'll harp on this once more (lol): If one can win more hands than lose then a Neg Prog will produce more profit per shoe (hour). Of course it will be exactly the same as flat betting that ABS.

Here a little example: Yesterday my W/L registry was 44.34% (OUCH!). And yes I did lose $. Usually I will just about break even at 45%. I only lost $95.00. Today I had a 61.22% hit rate and won a LOT more than if I flat bet because I use both a Neg and Pos progression.

I'm not advocating others play this way. Just talking my play and theory. So now to date my win % for last 3,498 wagers has a 53.46% win rate. Point I can win more per hour using my progression style than if I flat bet. Does it require larger bankroll? Yes. Because I win more hands than lose would it be the same if I flat bet the ABS? Yes.

But, if I did lose more than win I could still profit. See above. If I had won just a few more bets instead of going home in disgust (LOL) I would have profited while losing more hands than win.

 

I'm really not calling you a liar. Just questioning statements which are void of any statistical explanation.

Okay, you and your fellows earn all your expendable income requirements from gambling. Fine.

You have triggers in Baccarat that win 100% f the time and others that win 75% of the time. Fine.

Now that we're clear I can only say I am still skeptical of those two statements!

BTW. I don't consider myself a professional player.

 

What kind of talk is that from an officer of the court? ;-)

He's just being skeptical, a little harsh rhetoric, but skeptical. He's basically asking for proof, not a "whose is bigger" competition! This is how math works. Folks have a theory, they make a claim, then they go ahead and prove it. Why would you expect otherwise? Particularly from anonymous people on the Internet!

 

He's an idiot. Take a look at 2hat he has posted in the past. You have contributed I have contributed, that Yahoo has contributed nothing. All he is is a condescending idiot. Want to be skeptical, be skeptical of that idiot. I call a spade a spade.

 

Jimske, I will tell you. If there is a way to PM me than do it. Give me an email address and I will email you.

 

To Jimske,

I don't see why you're getting butt hurt just because McVince doesn't want to share his strategy. He is not your teacher and just so you know, we/he are not selling ANYTHING. We are here purely for the entertainment and comradery. McVince is right, why can't you guys carry on a civilized conversation?

"It's funny that guys like roubacc and McVince got it in their head there's only one way to play and win this game. And if you don't play the way they do with flat betting they treat you like a fool or an idiot. Of course they don't offer anything about their way of playing because is proprietary to anyone who doesn't want to pay $160 a month".

Yes, it is proprietary and IT's NOT FOR SALE either, AT ANY PRICE. It took years to develop and we are not going to share it here with you or anyone for that matter. Let's get one thing straight, we are not system sellers.
Everyone, including you, is entitled to their own opinion and no one is forcing you to play a certain way. You like progressions, fine. Go ahead and play that way. Who's stopping you?
Don't bash players here because of their opinion. That's just immature.

 

You're are correct roubacc, and possibly he's so oneway outspoken some others on another forum really couldn't put up with it anymore, just couldn't take it like a baby throwing a tantrum that the mother just throws up her arms and walks out the door before something wrong happens.

 

Hehe. What is your name (s) on .cc. or are you just another troll who doesn't have the balls to have one nick but likes to hide! I've read your nothing posts here. Zzzzzzzzzz.

Roubacc right about what? I never asked anyone to share stuff they don't want to. If you and rou were paying any attention you'd know that. Also, I got no problem with system sellers. Lots of people like to buy them. But anyone can join Keith's site for pay and learn how to play. So it is for sale then, huh? What do I care?

But think about it dumbell!! Come around and tell folks you have a strike rate of 100% on a certain wager prediction your gonna get some push back - duh!

Furthermore, LOL, I didn't leave .c.c. The ego tripping pontificator gave me the boot. Awwww! Ruined my fun!

Tell roubacc to pay attention. I can't be bothered responding to him directly. I don't bash players for the way they play. I can never figure out his nonsense posts.

 

NG need 300 posts. I get that you and rou are serious players. Anyway I wouldn't keep any proprietary stuff to myself. I may not post it on the Internet particularly if it was copyright. But I'd share it with friends IF I thought it was important. Heck I tell people how I play.

I play CT. A lot and am always free but am away a lot. If you re ever up this way let me know. I can come around anytime short notice. We could compare notes or just say hello. Likely we have similarities. I already have the VinceSap and unweighted count stuff though it may have changed. I haven't fooled around with it just looked it over and I saw some of the webinars. Not my style but I kind of get it.

I cut my teeth with ECD. (Yeah he hates me too! LOL) Because I contradicted his nonsense claims and way before you guys got tired of him. But...I always gave him credit when credit is due and he has a good mind for this stuff. I learned a lot from him. I played BJ with him once after he moved to AR. We both lost! Hahaha.

 

You misunderstood what I said. There are things that happen in a shoe 100% of the time. It is not a 100 % hit rate. Just like BJ card counting, because the count is in your favor doesn't mean you are going to win. With this, it will happen 100% of the time but may not be in the time you want it to. It is very dependable though.

Contrary, I hardly ever play it though. I am usually out of the shoe win or lose before the scenario presents itself.

I am not playing VinSAP as much today as I was before. I think all contributors here are seasoned players that have an allegiance to their style of play. What I don't like about this forum is that you have guys like JBS who contribute nothing but condescending remarks.

 

well I kind of thought the hundred percent and the 75% thing was not exactly what you meant but that's how it came across. I guess there's a lot of misunderstandings going around. It was never my intention to critique the way you play BTW.

I'm not bothered by a little give and take. I'v been known for stirring the pot a bit. But I do try and stick to the subject.

I don't read a lot of posts. Haven't read JBS except the one above. And John Berg? LOL. I looked up some of his posts after his comment to me. Hahaha! He's a troll. Irrelevant

Bottom line? Members should try to say something about the subject matter.

 

I don't really read everybody's post and I really don't read much of what anybody writes like Jim admitted. But I know everything about everybody and I can state with certainty everything about their background their history as well as their Casino playing. I've never met or seen them in my life!. Okay I got to set up my ice cream cart, bye.

 

Success at Sands over the weekend. Didn’t play as many hours as I would have liked. Very tired from a lot of driving. Ended up playing maybe 3 hours. Won almost $400. Strategy is holding up. Looking forward to more baccarat.

 

Congrats! So what unit size are you up to now?

 

Thanks. $5 a unit but my starting wager is 5 units, $25. If this coming week is just as successful as last, I’ll be increasing to $10 a unit

 

I hope you're keeping track of your win/loss registry and your % W/L. It will come in real handy in looking back and seeing why you win/lose. I just write a "W" or "L" on the card as I go along. That way when I get back home I can transcribe it to my file. I keep it in spreadsheet like Excel for easy analysis.

 

I actually don’t keep track of that. The only thing I write down is the units I’m betting on the hand(5,6,7 .....). The stop that we use is pretty much a mechanical kind. 3 straight losses than we switch up the bet pattern. Bet selection is the only thing that changes all the time.

 

Update on this week: won $405 on Tuesday. Went back last night and I really had the feeling that I was going to lose my bankroll. Since last Monday I haven’t had to dip into my pocket for more money. I usually start depositing or cashing in for $500. I think it was my greed that almost got me in trouble. I was already up $214 for the night and I was really thinking about leaving. I decided to play another session and I had to deposit my bankroll of $1k to feel at ease. My lowest point was around 470 after winning 214. This was a new feeling for me with this new strategy. My friend was telling me that no one wins every day and trying to talk me out of it. I thought the jinx was in effect. Anyway, through some good streak, I battled back and was up 215, so I decided to walk away this time. Phew! Close one.

 

What I was trying to get at with my previous post about keeping track of your stats is that EVERY method has it's nemesis. Apparently you have a mechanical bet selection. So you should know what patterns will be your downfall. Your progression is apparently going pretty deep in relation to your bankroll. With deep progressions one will survive an awfully long time without getting burned but they all will hit the wall at some point and be devastating OR, variance being what it is, perhaps you'll never hit the wall!

But knowing your game thoroughly you may be able to take evasive action. LOL - It seems that's what you did. Though money management is an important tool quitting while ahead is doesn't really change the game. But it still helps.
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Today my first shoe hit a 70.9% win rate. Next shoe struggled and I got even at 45%. Next shoe kind of went nowhere so I decided to just leave after about ten hands and enjoy my win. Does it matter? Not really. It's psychological.