Baccarat How much can win?

I have the same score range of +/- 10 units.

You can win with flat betting. Just very grindy.

 

thinking about units per hour and win % per 100 bets

Just started keeping different stats again since reading punkcity stuff.

W 313 L 259 = 572 bets and 54 units won for 18 shoes which is 3 units per shoe at 54.7% win rate. That's 18 hours at 1 hour per shoe = 3 units per hour if I flat bet. That would be gross, no vig there.

Except for Rooubacc who apparently wins like 20 units a shoe I really can't seem to get any more than this. I did this once before in May 2014 to about May 2016. Here they are cut and paste. 5485 4927 10412 52.68%

I guess that's why I don't flat bet because I can do a little better with unit win using a progression. So example today okay short shoe W 12 L 10 but still win 8 units not 2. But . .. . I'm forced to play at a lower base to keep the high bets to an acceptable level.

Everything is a trade off

 

Yes it’s a mindset thing. I could achieve much more value as per your thread reference to progressive bets but the trade off for me is that the old baggage of the emotional roller coaster ride is not to my liking, hence I flat bet but at a high value to compensate. Then I’m not challenging the table maximum whilst still maintaining a reasonable return per time / hands play/ ratio ( kpi)

Example being I can make $1000 in 3 hands bet win 2 lose the last go home = 1 and a half minutes work as opposed to winning say $20 at a $10 base progressive bet that gives me margin to the $1000 maximum. To win a $1 k at progressive betting you need to play a lot of hands.

This allows you to get in get out bit like swimming in the shark pool during feeding time the lingering bets to reach a deemed reasonable profit up and down the progressive betting can cost you an arm and a leg ( my emotions etc)

In your example 18 shoe @ $500 flat bet =2 unit win ( round down for commission) =$18000

Thousand dollar an hour
half a week work
Nice

 

Punkcity,


RNG or live dealer ?


Thanks,

ND

 

Wow, averaging 20 units per shoe flat betting is god-tier play.

 

How much we win.? Who is interested in fiction .

 

Jimske played 572 hands which equals 4:7 hours on RNG very doable, when I play live dealer the time consumption of 572 hands equals 18 hours (+ or - a few hours) just doesn’t add up for mine. Better kpi imho on rng also I can leave and return in 20 minutes and continue if needed.

My biased opinion is stadium’s rng and I will not argue the case as each to their own as far as preferred play type is concerned. Cheers

 

Pinkcity,

Thanks for your reply..It va;dates something which I played several years ago. I never played Blackjack at a table a table and never will.

But I happened to play it on a Video machine while on an 8 hour air junket. The junket operator told me on the flight back that I had the highest points and the highest winnings for that day and the group.


Well the RNG type are not as glamorous but the payout is "down to earth".



Happy Winnings !






ND

 

Punkcity correct. And basically no way to get an equitable comparison between say betting $100.00 flat bet with a small base bet progression. W/O getting into the WL registry in that example I could get the same results with a $25.00 base winning 8 units but . . . . won't work because my progression (and most) would have to be closer to $1500.00 max bet IF I didn't get those wins and had to go to the max which, BTW, I never have yet.

So maybe a 1:4 ratio could make sense. Not sure. I'd have to run those numbers.

The only way it can be justified is using a much smaller base which will ultimately reduce profits. The only saving grace is that the progression is going to have a higher shoe win %; much higher. In the shoes I noted flat bet lost 5 of those shoes. Albeit not a lot while the prog won every one of those shoes. Still, the profit much less than $5400.00 gross.

Everything a tradeoff!

 

To be brief: with RNG one can shove the thought of shoes .

 

Yes .
Some would say semantics and I would say tooomateoh, but I only look at it as games played not as a shoe. A game can be anywhere from 2 hands to 102 hands or 357 hands range in time 2 minutes to 1 and a half hour. All my judgment call of when what and why .

To me the important thing is that rng game is continued AND I don’t have to wait for a start of “shoe “ scenario. I start the “game “ when I start not because I have to wait for a shoe to start . Also stop on MY call not because the last card of the coup has been drawn, imho huge importance.
Tooomateohs

cheers

 

I am new to online baccarat. My questions are:-

1) can the rng results be rigged? For eg if too many bets on Banker, can the results be made to be Player?

2) as was once suggested to me, could the online video of ongoing games be switched? For live dealers for eg, we see the dealer deal the cards live and the dealer also points out the winner be it Banker or Player. Can these videos be switched?

I can understand when there are big bets going on but can it happen?

Of course I find it hard to believe that for bets of 20, 30, 100 or hundreds, that the online casino will monitor such bets and switch videos to win these smaller bets.

Just trying to understand the game with this Covid-19 pandemic going to the casinos is a hassle.

 

You seem to "understand the game" just fine, my friend, simply based upon your poignant questions regarding "rng" play.

Can the rng results be rigged? ABSOLUTELY can.

I wouldn't wager 10 cents on any baccarat hand where I couldn't see the cards being dealt out of the shoe with my own eyes.

Know this, my friends....when there's MONEY involved, people can (and will, and DO) go to great lengths to separate you from yours, and now that we're eyeballs deep into the "Computer Age" the "fleecing of the sheep" (sheep being gullible followers) is as easy as a "flip of a switch".

You've got a choice to make....either get smart, or get taken.

Choose wisely, my friends.

 

In USA online casinos and sports betting is legal in many States. State Government has got jurisdiction over the integrity of the operations of the casinos. Will the Gaming Control Board allow rng results to be rigged? Why should the casino results be rigged, when the house has inbuilt house advantage in all games. Can any one prove that the results are rigged in a court of law?

In NJ online gaming is live at certain hours of the day. Can live online gaming also be rigged?

HUPOMENO has raised two questions regarding the integrity of online gaming. I personally believe that when the casinos are supervised by a jurisdictional authority, you have to assume that they are fair, unless someone can prove that they are rigged in a court of law.

 

On-line casinos in the USA are NOT Federally regulated. Some individual States might have approved on0line casinos with the perimeter of their boarders and residence requirements .

 

And when I had a problem with Foxwoods years ago after they flat betted me and took away thousands of points (which really, really hurt - I used them for Christmas and gifts every year!) I went to the commission. They told me I could hire a lawyer and go to THEIR court!

As it is now the cards are brought in pre-washed and shuffled. Are they checked? Hell no! Maybe a double seeded RNG would be better!

 

On line casinos are regulated by the Gaming Commission of the State in which they are located. There is no residence requirement to use the on line casinos. The only requirement is you are within the State boundary when you use the on line casinos or sports betting. If you live in NYC and want to bet March Madness Games, you have to enter New Jersey boundary and bet if you have an app for the casino. I was told that many New Yorkers do this regularly for big games.

 

When I was exploring investing in an online gaming business, I was made to understand that the regulatory authorities (wherever they may be, in Europe, the Caribbean etc) one has to provide an audited software acceptable to the authorities. The RNG software must be audit certified. I dont know about the audit process since the oroject did not start.

At the same time for casino software, the major players are Playtech and 1-2 others I cannot remember. They are big public listed companies and their revenues come from revenue sharing with the gaming companies.

But these are live dealers baccarat and if I remember well, also for roulette and blackjack. The rng is for the slot machines, keno etc.

If they are properly licensed. Many less established companies have sprung up during this pandemic. When someone on this forum told me about videos of live games being easily switched on and off, on theory it is possible but based on my understanding of the industry, although possible, quite unlikely.

They will just block you if you win too much! Easy!

 

You should do a thorough research on the internet regarding REGULATED online gaming. From what I know RNG can be LEGALLY set to give the house a hold on money wagered. That means if someone wins over the hold the program can randomly guarantees a loss wager for their customers to keep up with the hold. It's like slot machines.

 

So true, Craps...good post.

If you take the time and effort to learn a bit more about these casino software companies (check out Interblock) you might think twice before playing with any real money.