Roulette How to kill a forum and building a fake holygrail?

Well as you said:

So why, as you can revolutionize randomness, haven't you chose to win at the lottery instead to care about a *35 payout? Coz of house edge?

Ok then you can revolutionize at least also Baccarat, right?

 

Turbo, I do have an open mind, but you're making it hard when one of your Turbo-isms is this :

I've challenged you about this before and I just get a blank out.

Now how on earth is anyone supposed to take this on board and remain rational? You do realize what it means, right? It means that if a guy who started playing your system 15 minutes before I do and I decide to copy his bets it doesn't mean anything and I can't win because that's HIS session and not mine. Therefore I can't win but he does, even though I'm making the very same bet! And this makes sense to you?

 

Probably if you got the open mind and leaving the door opened that everything is possible also i guess...

 

If he relies on random to win, then why should it matter? Also can't he just change tables at every spin?

 

Dr Sir Anyone Anyone , You astonish me every day

 

Sometime in the 80s Laurance Scott devised a brilliant and creative system to beat roulette, usually called visual prediction. I have linked some info about it. It is no longer effective or much less effective because of improved wheels.

He had an "open mind."

The difference between him and you is that his system wasn't based on saying that 2 plus 2 does not equal 4 which is basically what you are saying.

He wasn't looking for easy money like you are.

He didn't make blatantly false claims like you do.

So, yes, there are lots of possibilities - but you haven't even come close to discovering any of them.



https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gambling-with-an-edge/professional-roulette-prediction-by/

 

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Sure, I'd love to explain this to you. (and why it makes sense).

That "guy" isn't using a system or method - he's only covering my bets (hopefully) with the exact same amounts on the exact same numbers, then he wins (or course). But he's not using a method or system. His only rule is to do whatever I do - and that won't matter much when I get up and leave.
Here's what it would look like, and it wouldn't matter where he started to copy my bets, he'll still win.
(until I stop playing).


Just pick any point and consider this person joining, and he'll win - so long as
he copies my bets perfectly. He's not playing a method and has no reason for
making any of these bets other than "That's what Turbo just did".

Now, if he starts fresh from whatever point he sits down at, not paying
attention to my bets - but uses the exact same rules..... guess what ?
He still wins, his chart won't look like mine - he'll have different amounts
on different numbers than I do - but he'll still win.
Some of the numbers will of course be the same, we'll both end up
playing the same numbers (some of them) - he might do better or
worse, but he'll still win - just like I will regardless of starting now
or in 1/2 hour.
So if he copies my bets, fine - he doesn't know why he's winning
and can't do it again without me there lol - but if he uses the same
rules and bet selection, he'll win regardless of where he starts ahead
of or behind me - his charts won't be exactly the same... Hell, he might
be on all 4 of the top performers and do better than I did. I might
be on 2 of them and the top 5# and the top 7# - who knows.

Because he copies my bets might mean he still wins, but without doing
it on his own when he sits down, he's not using a system other than
"bet whatever I bet on". When he starts fresh and ignores my past
results (properly) then his chart will climb just the same (basically)
and he doesn't need me there to win.

Hope this clears it up - if it doesn't I'll explain it more......lol

 

Oh my, yet another short term graph of about 80 or so spins. That's proof of what again?

 

Unfortunately, I want to tell you that you miss the meaning of what TURBO G wrote.

 

I sure hear a lot about that guy ! He must have made trillions and retired from the casino game
with bags of cash filling up storage units all around the country. He certainly has "followers"
everywhere.
I found a copy of his paperback for $1,099.00 !!!!!!!! wow it must be the friggin' bible of
beating roulette !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh.. well I'm sure there's other ways.
$1,099 ??? wow. Could make that in 10 minutes with this knowledge, selling books ?
Oh it's to help others. I wonder if I should sell my book for $1,200.00 ? Will Nathan D. think
I'm God then ? lol

Obviously not at that price !! that's not easy money.
At least I have Sir No One's book right on my desk. Hell, I learned enough about unicorns
with that to do it myself I think. It's full of good information and coming from me - the guy
he argues with all the time ! I don't remember it being $1,099.00 So yeah.... that Scott
guy must be a roulette legend and I'm completely sure the info contained within is well,
well worth that price. I'd love to learn about how to visually clock wheels that aren't used
anymore ! I'm on it !

(or change the wheel speed or ball speed or use a actual modern wheel lol)

Nice. On those older wheels I'm sure prediction worked out pretty good, no longer... sorry.
I don't see anything else about the guy online.....
I figured at least some kind of monument or something
Wikipedia didn't have anything either.
Damn ND - this guy is your hero - start a page for him !

 

Turbo, you seem to have missed the point of my post, which was to show that using past spins confined to your "current session" is completely arbitrary. Past spins are past spins and the fact that you've made actual bets doesn't somehow nullify the fact that they are past spins. You seem to believe that it does - why?

Where's Bago when you need him? lol

 

If TurboGenius really had a system for beating roulette based on charting numbers on an unbiased wheel and he could prove it to the satisfaction of the scientific community he would very quickly become:



ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS PEOPLE IN THE WORLD



he would even be more famous than Kim Kardashian

 

Please don't summons the evil of Bago unless it's a last resort.
No one needs to be screamed at and insulted lol

Spins contained within my playing sessions are current spins.
Spins before I began play are past spins (someone else's session spins I'm sure)
Future spins are what I'm playing, they will be contained within my session until I stop playing.
I described how another player copying my bets isn't using a method.

 

Jeez, be patient.
Will you buy my book in 20 years for $1,099.00 ??? It'll really help me out in my 70's you know lol
By then there will be triple zero roulette and quadrazero roulette and five-0 roulette to combat
people who win.
The house edge wasn't enough to beat the players with single 0 so behold 00.
Now they do have 000 tables/wheels. They have to keep upping the game to try to
make their edge higher and higher. I wonder why. To make more per spin per person ? Sure.
Why ? because 0 or 00 isn't doing it well enough, smart players don't care much about
2.7 pennies on every 100 pennies they play with, it's not a giant speed bump no one can
win against (that's what the misfits want you to believe).
Over time, and spins - it gets harder and harder to keep that canoe afloat against it though.
But my charts climb away from it all the time, every time.

 

really? according to the linked guide to roulette history the double zero wheel was introduced in the 18th century.
so , you mean there were a lot of geniuses beating the one zero wheel in the 18th century so they brought in a 2 zero wheel
and it took the geniuses about 270 years to figure out how to beat it and you just cracked the code. WOW!!!



search wikibooks and roulette history - mods won't accept a link

 

I'll take that as a compliment.
To be honest there weren't any real people working so hard on it like you think.
The Einstein quotes are fake... never mind.
I don't need wiki or history to know the more 0's there are - the greater the house edge..........
It's just good 'ol common sense buddy.

 

Not really - It would be a breakthrough in "predicting random".
However not much is actually random. I posted videos about this before.
Roulette isn't random because the dealer and mechanical workings prevent it from
being true random - but it's the best we have.. most people don't like RNG which in
lots of cases isn't true random either, it's being displayed from a calculation.
True random, like in the 60's video I posted using isotopes is actual random - or
noise from the big bang (radiation) to pick random works great...
Not much else is actually random.
So being able to predict it when so little in the real world relies on it - nah, not
worthy of an award.
The casinos will just change the game just slightly to defeat it (it can be done, I'm
not talking unless they pay for that info.....giggles.)
Also - Bias and Computers can be incredibly easily removed from the arsenal of
threats but they don't seem to know how to do that. I do of course.
As long as they make money, they are happy.
And they aren't worried about me - just look how beloved I am on the forums.
My measly wins over and over don't interest them a bit - but the misfits sure
get worked up over it. Hmm.

 

Sorry to change the subject a little but I thought I would chime in while you guys are talking about changing the game and 0 or 00 wheels.

Have you seen 00 Euro wheels? Where I play they have added 00 euro wheels to some of the live tables, only the ones with a minimum bet of $5 so far. The layout is the same except for a 00 being added between the 5 and 10 at the bottom of the wheel.