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Baccarat How to Spot a BAD System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Frank Kneeland, Mar 25, 2021.

  1. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Thank you for answering that. I'm SUPER-OVER-LOADED right now with two new jobs, both of which I have 0% experience doing.

    Don't be surprised if it's next week before I pick this up again. I am really pleased, I think we are making progress. At the very least I'm understanding where you are coming from I think.

    Peace.

    P.S. I have to watch two Disney Children's movies tonight and summarize the good and bad moral lessons that are being taught. And they are paying me $25 an hour + $200 per project to do this...and you thought playing baccarat for a living was odd...LOL... Peace out. Serious about that earlier offer!!!
     
  2. gizmotron

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    It's not only a skill that I have acquired over the decades but I have proved to myself that it can also be taught.

    This is how I do it. I have taught that trends and patterns, a skill of recognition, can go into three primary phases of effectiveness. The first consideration is size. You can have mini sequences of repetitive patterns or trends that come in swarms of the same size. It could be a swarm of triples or quads. This is very common. So I look for anything that relates to a swarm of a trend or a pattern that comes in these 3's or 4's.

    That comes from the skill of recognition. It has nothing to do with prediction.

    Now if the swarm is good then I can go with it and I will then get real data on how effective this is at the moment from my placed bets.

    I'm talking about the next 5 to 10 spins. I want to get one or two net wins in the aggregate from the next part of the current conditions for the session that I'm in.

    I'm probing for increased accuracy from my guessing. I'm constantly in search for high results as a phase in the gambling session.

    When you see 35 wins and 10 losses then you were in a winning phase. The trick is in seeing these conditions forming and speculating on them that they will continue.

    They do two things, and two things only. They continue or they break down and fall apart and not continue.

    So you attack the speculation that they will continue.

    If they do you have a high paying win streak.

    If they break down and start to fail as a win streak then it's done.

    You don't feed a losing streak with the bigger bets.

    So I'm not looking for prediction or any other magical capability.

    I'm looking for phases that continue. I keep probing them during the gambling session. That's the technique.

    The art of probing for a win streak goes to getting off the failed attempts without doing any significant harm to my bankroll.

    In that way I attempt to stay very near break even while searching.

    I know to probe at minimum prices. I only attack when I have indicators that support an over all kind of coincidental convergence of similar sized or type existing formations like trends or patterns. I know these things swarm at times. You must remember this from my teaching Reading Randomness. I don't search from one data string like Blackjack, Craps, or Baccarat. In Roulette I watch 6 unique and individual groups. You could watch 6 independent Baccarat tables simultaneously to get the same effect.

    That is where I get my swarms. It's way too difficult to wait for a super trend in just one data string.

    It takes a skill for pattern or trend recognition to do this. That part has to be automatic. I use a charting method that allows me to see multiple accumulations of trend or pattern types in just a few seconds, like from one to two seconds using visual dexterity.

    That is an acquired skill too.

    I have taught this skill and these charting techniques to others with proven success.

    I wrote practice software so that people could perfect these skills without the danger of losing money.

    It takes time. Nobody could understand everything in one day.

    So you must know and be skillful at trend & pattern in swarms recognition. Without that quick, like two or three seconds, skill you can't go from nothing to step one.

    After that you need to watch for the three phases of effectiveness.

    If you can't do that next skill then you can't understand my method and technique.

    I tried to explain this. But hearing that it might work and knowing if it works is two different things.

    I think the best scientific approach is in knowing by first acquiring the needed skills.

    The last thing to know is the effectiveness states. You wait for the profitable condition that comes from working trends or patterns.

    It pays to know as many trend or patterns that you can.

    All I did was teach singles on the weak side and strong side domination.

    There are hundreds of common trends or patterns. All of these have the capability to swarm.


    Sorry for the long post. It's the bear bone basics.
     
  3. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Arrgh. This conversation is becoming a guilty pleasure. I have so many miles to walk enforce I sleep this is my last post for today or else my name is not Runplestilskin.

    Past results can predict the future if a causal relationship is present, and if the method of statistical analysis used to examine them accounts for standard deviation and variance. Easier language: If you flipped a flat fair coin 1 million times and it came up heads more than tails and concluded that it was more likely to come up heads because you had flipped it 1 million times and that’s what happened last time, you would need to explain WHY—or at least how that was possible.

    Even more simply stated: Past results by themselves do not predict the future. They are a good starting point.
     
  4. Frank Kneeland

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    NOT READING THIS TODAY—BUT I BOOK MARKED IT FOR TOMORROW.
     
  5. gizmotron

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    So don't try to predict the future.

    To beat this slightly negative expectation game you must use something other than prediction or probability. Everyone tries that at first.

    Try unraveling coincidence. Randomness takes on formations that act like prediction in appearance but are never at any time actually predicting anything.

    If you take the time you can figure out how to take advantage of a coincidence that appears to be prediction working, but has no ability to actually predict anything. It's just a section of a gambling session. It flows in and out of these working phases. That's if you have the skill to recognize these conditions when they happen.

    People that count cards wait for favorable conditions and then attack with bigger bets. I wait for working conditions and attack with bigger bets.
     
  6. Lungyeh

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    If I was a Professor of Baccarat, and evaluating thesis by both honourable Frank and Mark.....I would recommend some writing style help from Jae. Clear and precise, succinct.
     
  7. gizmotron

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    It took the first student of Reading Randomness one on one tutoring two hours per day for 60 days straight.

    How can I possibly communicate that in a few will written paragraphs?

    I can relate to it though. I have been digesting the capability of the Korg Wavestate synthesizer. It's so hard. But someone came along and did a step by step deep dive into the menu, all the step by step buttons to click. He shows how to create a new sound from scratch. It saved the day. I was almost ready to give up.

    When I taught Reading Randomness to that first student I gave him my practice software and we spent time discussing everything he could see. I opened his eyes. I took him step by step. I watched as he proved to me that he understood each step before I would move to the next skill. That is about the best and most effective way to communicate. The Reading Randomness thread here is for self teaching. You are basically on your own to understand it. You have the same practice software. I just never taught many trends and patterns. For the sake of communication I only example a few key trends or patterns.

    Here is that video that saved my learning curve in the Korg:

     

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    Frank, these guys are trying to tell you they're psychic. But the use the "baffle them with bullshit" speil to do it.
     
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    Just like the Pharaoh Egyptian King, when shown clear signs refused to believe. He lost his son and yet believed not.

    Until the waters of the Red Sea buried him.

    Patterns are clear for all to see and decipher. Except for the men of the mathematics branch of science.

    Adjectives used on things you do not believe in can be more cordial in this forum where there should be unity in diversity.
     
  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Ah yes, the finer stinking shit.
     
  11. Frank Kneeland

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    If you read my other posts I JUST-STARTED two new jobs. I'm overloaded with training. I actually got up at 3AM today 1st job 7-10 second job 12-9. In about two weeks hit me up again and then it would be my pleasure.

    Hay after last year if you said, "wana go to the dump and look at garbage?" I'd be all like, "hell yeah I do! Anything other than my own four walls sounds great."...
     
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    I got 10 min and then off to other new job...

    Seeing Patterns is all fine and dandy. I'm not saying patterns don't form in any set of data. Causality is the question.

    The example I used in my book was if the head of the Weather Administrations asked a secretary to look at the last 100-years of data to find out if even numbered days were hotter or colder on average, one or the other would be true. It's actually highly unlikely that you'd get an exact even split in temperature...but does that mean, if even days turned out to be HOTTER, that the numerical value we assign to days of the month influences the weather??? I hope we can agree that it does not. A pattern was found, the only mistake was looking in the first place.

    The emergence of patterns in random events is guaranteed. Try flipping a coin 1000 times and having it come up exactly 500-tails/500-heads if you don't believe me. It probably won't. It's actually VERY unlikely. The point is if you do this and got 450-Tails/550-heads, does it mean that heads are more likely to come up on that coin? Mathematicians would say no.

    It's worth noting that people with higher IQ's tend to see patterns others do not. It has also been liked to higher function of frontal cortex, cross-communication between left and right hemispheres, and reduced function of the ACC (anterior cingulate cortex) which is a brain scheme found in most of our great artists.

    Peace...

    ~FK
     
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    That was perhaps mildly unkind... They don't think the way I do. I'm cool with it.

    I would never wish the way I think on anyone. It's exhausting! :)
     
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    Remind me when I have more time to tell you about my best friend Gary Ford's (now deceased) training to be a baccarat dealer at the old DI.

    You are going to want to know this.

    I am out of time for today...
     

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    JBS just thinks that his excrement does not stink. I have never seen a contribution or a commitment to a method of play from him. He is just a pure mathZombie.
     
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    Gamblers Fallacy is when someone expects that something is due.

    Patterns and trends are just an identifier of a win streak.
    When betting on them to continue works for you then the pattern or trend continues by coincidence alone.
    Cause and effect are eliminated from the process.
    It's just coincidence.
    Yet it is still there. You can see it.
    There is no need to give it meaning.
    Just take what the game is giving you and walk with it.
     
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    Did you pass?
     
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    Bad systems or sore losers ?
     
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    I am in the spirit of discussion. You are basically ( let's say only ) dealing with the last 10 hands (example) that from it you will focus only on a handful of the possible 1024 permutations and say it has a higher chances of continuing and we can capitalize. It's is not prediction. It is a skill.
    What are the Mass players doing reading the shoe? They too try to anticipate according to each individual interpretation that something is going to happen or continue. That's prediction and yours isn't? The difference you are trying to tell everybody is you had discover 'an advantage' over just plain prediction. Now you can use a subtle positive progression with regression at some point to win. Brilliant!

    Brilliant in advertising your work by using words that is salivating. What's the motive? Subscription to learn your discovery? Staking?
    I gave you credit for coming out with a 'way' to get B or P and totally believes in it. This clears up indecision in bet selection. How effective is FOR YOU TO KNOW AND FOR US TO FIND OUT.

    What's next? Cheat sheets like what BTC is doing now? Giz, I believe you are a smart and intelligent person like Frank described that the left side of your brain is fully developed or opened so to speak. I can tell you are somewhat associated with MUSIC and perhaps play an instrument. Musicians naturally have their left side of the brain "opened." Your interpretation of Baccarat bet selection is just like interpretation in a piece of music. No 2 pianist will play Beethoven Moonlight Sonata exactly the same even though the same score is used.

    I do agree with a consistency of ways and means to successful Baccarat. It's how you can make yours work. Again one man's medicine is another man's poison. Discover your own DESTINY.
    ;););););)
     
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  20. gizmotron

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    I'm not saying that the chance of anything happening has changed. I'm saying that because of nothing more than coincidence it might continue. It might not.
     

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