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Baccarat How to Spot a BAD System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Frank Kneeland, Mar 25, 2021.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Mine is not prediction. It's betting bigger in win streaks. Trends and patterns have no capacity to predict anything. But they do signal win streaks. When patterns or trends swarm, as I have tried to teach to those that have listened, the win streak works because you bet with the trend or pattern. What you continually fail to grasp is that bet selections go into phases of working or not working. When they are working your trends or patterns are also continuing. The skill is in being aware of this state or condition. I am not looking for prediction. I'm looking for confirmation. I'm also looking for exactly when conditions change. You are assuming that I'm using magical thinking. Look in the mirror Crap. It might just be your assumptions and your conclusions that are suspect.
     
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  2. Lungyeh

    Lungyeh Well-Known Member

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    This sums it up Giz.
     
  3. asymbacguy

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    People who can read randomness should be involved in more serious and lucrative fields than gambling.

    as.
     
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    Bbbbbbbbbwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, yer one to talk what with yer incessant, incomprehensible jumbo-mumbo what you make the scene with day after day, years after year. You and the gizmotard are two pea in the sames pod, hey hey.
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Like investment strategies?
     
  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    and you are two turds in a colon.
     
  7. Craps

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    Besides bet selection it's bet frequency and bet amount. All these are decisions. They all can go right and they all can go wrong. I have said along the biggest winners in Baccarat are those who takes the initiative to ANTICIPATE TRENDS of win streaks which you are talking about. If you look at a shoe after the hands are exposed, everyone's a winner. The more you study bet selection, the more you will see and the more you would come out with an excuse to bet. Focusing on one style isn't too bad IMO. I have a patron who claims to be an expert on FORK TRENDS which is Single followed by Double or more repeating this way in a phase. He would win 1 or 2 units and more if there is Dragon Run. He seems to do quite OK.
    The description of if the Trend continues you can win as long as it permits you but if it doesn't, all you lose is 1 bet. Same meaning only explained a bit differently by you.
     
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  8. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    OMG fellow life travelers. I'm not responding to any of the posts, just yet. It's 12-midnight and I just finished the training videos for how to fill out the government required forms for my new job...then I checked and in fact there are seventeen derivations of the form all with different acronyms and rules. Is it just me or is 20% of government regulation useful rules, and the other 80% is CYA to protect the people that made the other 20%?

    I almost miss professional gambling. It was easier.

    P.S. When training is over I'll be posting a NEW article on how to pick the best machines. Weeks off but it'll be good I think.
     
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  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Reading Randomness addresses this exact information and it has for the last 15 years since I suggested it at Gambler's Glen. I started exposing the "Effectiveness States" back around 2006.

    People that figure this out on their own are just coming to logical conclusions and solutions.

    You can't beat the casino with a math based system. Unless math grows up and takes into account for situational advantages including coincidental opportunity. But that has not happened yet.

    So you must use something other than math for now.

    Most gamblers are completely unaware of the existence of the Global Effect, as I have described it.

    Most of them that have never seen it happen think that it is just mumbo jumbo.

    They are the ones with no information but are willing to lead others anyway.

    That is just the blind leading the blind. That is common enough in human nature.

    The Global Effect is the greatest gambler opportunity in the total history of wagering.

    It's when the coincidences in randomness all align to form a nearly perfect and long lived continuation of synchronization.

    The blind have no idea that this is happening right underneath their noses.

    So they dogmatically enforce their uninformed opinions on others. Self righteousness is not an excuse for pretending to be right.

    That is the result of being uninformed while claiming to be an expert.

    People are mostly suckers and have a great propensity to follow anyone that will tell them what they want or expect to hear.

    But anything new must first pass a kind of herd immunity test before they can take a chance on it.

    That's when it will be too late in this business. People are very good at being too late also.

    I dare you to confirm and validate the existence of the Global Effect, the Effectiveness States, and the MM suggested by two similar paths in Reading Randomness strategy.

    It won't cost you anything but time and a few trillion brain cells.

    How you will act when confronted with your own money and risk is entirely another topic.

    You must master that skill as well.

    Frank, I think is wonderful that you have the time to tell everyone that you are too busy yet have the time to put another gambling book out there.

    Slot machines? Really?
     
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  10. Craps

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    You are looking to beat the casino but I am not. I only go for the water that slips through the cracks. End of discussion.
     
  11. Rinad

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    why do we have to be so religious when it comes to gambling ?
    always my way or the highway. I have read Gizmo "randomness" and have also follow lots of Craps Marty method, and both are ways to win and I know that because I am very experienced in both methods.
    both have merits. the skills of "reading " singles on the weak side, and global effect ,ect.... ,these are not voodoo stuff, and I am glad he has written about it, along with helping others. it is as real as real gets in gambling.
    of course not everything works all the time, but he is the only guy I know who is bringing it up to the surface.
    how often do we see singles, doubles, or big runs going for long stretches in a games ?
    I may not be able to sometimes win all bunch of units when I jump in, but 75 % of the time I can get me a few units, or one or two of them before it switches.
    not only in roulette, but other games as well. I often thought of it as "learning a language" you never spoke before.
    I have played games where for 40,70 spins or more you never lose more then 4 in a row and that is money in the bank.
    Marty if picking up the bets at certain times have also extreme value as well. it is not that complex if you learned self control.
    going on for weeks at a time never losing and when you do, you are still on the top, love it.
    so there are many ways to Rome friends, more then just "my way is the only way"
    our personality has to feet our plays , like the shoe to Cinderella. that is all.

    God bless,

    R.
     
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  12. Craps

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    I did comment about his findings as a way to go about B or P. That doesn't mean it is head over heels above other methods of B or P. What I disagree is he is so fixated that his.bet selection method is superior If you are an experienced player you know Bet Selection can't be mastered. It can't be exploited.
     
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  13. gizmotron

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    That's wonderful when you consider it's not about bet selection. It's about Money Management. The point is to master MM. As far as Martingales go, they have never proven to be effective. Now if you manage to perfect that as effective then you will be the first. That will give you bragging rights.
     
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    If you read my post on my Marty usage you know I use it for the probability and nothing else. I don't treat it as a money printing tool. It's a Hit & Run one unit with 97% strike rate. I do lose my 31 units. My average wins after a bust is 14 units in 5 days. Very realistic wins. Many won't be interested with this small win. The way of the Tortoise.
     
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  15. gizmotron

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    Several of us computer programmers here ran experiments on what we called obfuscation scenarios. We tested waiting for key moments and found that it will not keep you safe from the statistical expectations. You will still have enough sequences of death to kill all the progress, eventually. In other words you can't improve things by using hit and run tactics. It just slows things down. The same randomness still has the sequences that kill off things. This was power tested using different computer platforms and different programming languages in order to find a weakness that we never found. We used hundreds of millions of trials and ran those a few hundred times.
     
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    Computer programmes uses all probabilities and all possibilities and deem them EVEN using an algorithm to generate hands. Can an individual possibly have that in his lifetime at the casinos?
     
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    Use a predictor App to generate 5 hand selection. Fixed you bet selection. Sooner or later you get burned. Just do it once. Most Likely you will be successful. This is call PROBABILITY. Elementary Math. But if you keep on using the selection over and over again EVEN with Hit & Run like you said The Law Of Big Numbers will get you.
     
  18. Frank Kneeland

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    I've been absent, and it appears that will persist. My new jobs are overwhelming.

    I have not read any posts at all. if someone commented, replied, complemented me or just told me I was a jerk, I apologize for not being able to reply. I may have some free time again after I'm dead. (I hope that was a joke..it's unclear.)
     

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