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Baccarat I Am A Professional Baccarat Player

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Harrylaiv, May 16, 2018.

  1. Harrylaiv

    Harrylaiv New Member

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    I’ve been at this for months constant winning by the end of a shoe. Yet still people will try to follow me, we’ll get 4 right in a row, the 5th will be a loser, and then they’ll follow there own bets and lots of times losing money, and they’ll look back at my stack of chips and wonder how am I still stacking chips, like as if I’m not suppose to get one wrong every few hands. Last week, a good friend of mine that I play bac with finally decided to stick with the system. He would always follow me at the beginning, then after I’ve helped him turn $40 into $200 (he plays $10-$20 a hand), he then decides he’s going to make his own decisions, sometimes getting up a little bit more, but never leaving without giving it all back. I literally through this guy 4 quarter chips provided that he bet only what I bet and when I bet, and in one week, playing on 3 different nights, I have helped him turn that $100 into $1300 and he paid me back my $100, not that I asked him too but he did. I honestly don’t even have to work anymore, but I need to keep my business going because I know something good like this may not last forever, yet my only goal is to save one million dollars in cash and give this whole thing up. I know it’s going to be hard giving this up, but once I’ve hit my mark, I will share this with the world until the game is taken off the floor. It’s literally that good, casinos would have a field day with me!
     
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    You don't know me but I'm pretty sure you have figured out your own way to read randomness. You have figured out a way to see the effectiveness as it develops. You play a game of agility based on what you are seeing. You make educated guesses. Or, perhaps I have just guessed wrong.
     
  3. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    haha. Don't hold your breath. Baccarat is not going anywhere because there are plenty of us that aren't as good as you! And yet another reminder about why looking at online posts about baccarat, or as an extension most every game, can be very bad for your game. You state you are a winning player, fine. But you state that you are soooooooooooooo good that you limit your play to stay under the radar of the casinos. hahhahahhahahha!!!! good 1 bro.
     
  4. Harrylaiv

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    Just walking out now. $100 start
     

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  5. Harrylaiv

    Harrylaiv New Member

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    I’m not trying to stay under the radar so to speak. I just don’t want to get kicked out of the closest casino to me. The one I got asked to quit playing was a little further. The way you put it is why not make $5k every night instead of only making a few hundred. Answer is simple, I enjoy this place, and don’t want to ruin it like I did elsewhere.
     
  6. Harrylaiv

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    They know I don’t play black chips and if all of a sudden I do, and I’m constantly winning, I’ll fall into the same trap.
     
  7. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    I will restate it more clearly. I have run across zero verified accounts of a baccarat player being restricted from play when using permitted strategy. Permitted strategy includes anything and everything under the Sun other than outright cheating and advantaged play techniques such as edge sorting (which other than those odd situations such as Phil Ivey, do not occur and are not possible at all). Furthermore, I have directly seen players range from free hand/ minimum $50 bets to serious 5 figures throughout a shoe. House management could not care less at all.

    I have never seen one verified account of a baccarat player being restricted from play even from smaller venues and those where the regulation would seem to be more questionable for their play. If someone has, post verified details - make another thread. Limits are another matter, and every house has minimum and maximum limits for every game. There is always the possibility of negotiating higher limits.

    If you are as good of a baccarat player as you state, you are wasting serious time and money. You should locate to a major baccarat gaming center like Macau, Las Vegas, etc. If I were as skilled as you state you are, I would be touring the world while playing or maybe not. My choice as everyone from the most junior staff at my house to senior executive management knows who I am and all about me as they do everyone that plays.

    Making a vague statement about being restricted proves nothing. Showing one million photos of chips, tables, etc. proves nothing. Such claims are actually quite the insult to the gaming industry and its staff.
     
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    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Also, many players mistake the observation and documentation that a house is required to do for gaming law and anti-money laundering law, etc. for the house keeping an eye on their play.
     
  9. Harrylaiv

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    The casino can and will do whatever they want. I’m a very quiet player, I make no cocky statements, I place my bets early before last bets are called, I also never do what a lot of the Asian players do and throw $1000 in $20’s on the table a split second before last bets are called after having plenty time beforehand to cash in for chips (which really pisses me off). I’m usually the most unnoticed player there until I get a nice stack going and then everyone wants to ask what I feel next, as if my bet doesn’t already speak for itself, yet despite what I bet you are going to bet whatever you want anyways, most of the time betting against me losing $300, then winning the next hand afterwards betting only $50!!! Like you are really going places at that rate. But yeah, casinos do whatever they want, refuse service whenever!
     
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    OMFG, here we go again. Another 'Asian players do this or that' jackass. You can sugar coat your position all you want with comments about your behavior and demeanor while playing, but you specifically noted you were restricted from play because of your win rate/ skill while playing in a permitted manner. That is, you were not cheating, and you were not attempting some sort of advantaged play.

    The reason why casinos take time for buy-in's is that there are a series of gaming law surrounding that. How well a casino knows a player, ratios of total buy-in size to time during a session, size of each buy-in, and denomination of cash in buy-in are factors in the practical application of gaming law. This falls under the anti-money laundering law and 'know your customer'.

    You are claiming that you have been restricted from play at baccarat by a casino for the normal course of play. Never seen one single verified account of that so I call 100% bull, and stand on that position until you present some way to substantiate your claim. Stop spitting on the gaming industry and stop acting like other racist pricks that love to call out Asians.
     
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  11. Harrylaiv

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    I’ll give you another example that’s just as crazy as being asked to play another game. This happened the same night. A guy that was sitting next to me wanted to change $500 chip for quarter chips but the dealer was low on chips and had to wait for another fill, but I had the change. So I took the purple $500 chip and gave him $500 in green. About two or three bets after, I put down a nice chunk of chips, I want to say $700 or $800 and a $100 dragon, the guy that I changed his chips out for him also put down a $100 dragon. The pit boss walks over and tells both of us that we can’t put $200 on the dragon, it’s a $100 limit. I looked and checked my chips again and it was exactly $100. The pit boss then says that between me and the guy next to me can only put up a combined $100 on the bonus and $5k combined on the play. Puzzled as I was I asked how come, and the pit boss said that the moment I exchanged chips with some stranger next to me, that the total value of my chips and his chips together had to be under table limit. That’s the kind of crap these places do when you win!!!
     
  12. R19

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    Ok. Now you really have all of us going. This is more 100% bull than your very first post. Whatever bro. Enjoy your fantasy land. Maybe if you continue to dig a hole deep enough, you will wind up in Macau!

    In return for your great wisdom and experience that you are sharing with the world, I have a very nice bridge for sale. It's in New York, well aged, but in great condition!
     
  13. Harrylaiv

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    I’m starting to believe that either you haven’t spent enough time at the baccarat tables to know how the devils den works, or I’m going to the wrong casinos. Based off of my own experience and countless hours at a casino, I’m going to put my money on both! I’ve seen people asked to leave the casinos on so many different accounts for either fighting or getting drunk. I’ve also seen a lady who had a beer in her hand, looked perfected sane and sober get asked to leave the casino after hitting numerous jackpots in the high roller section back to back. I watched her myself hit 3 of them. Then one of the maintenance guys who watched the whole thing told me that woman only ordered 2 drinks in the course of 3 hours yet the casino said she has to leave because she’s had too much too drink. The real reason is that was there excuse to get her away from the machines that were jackpotting back to back. I have to admit, she had to have won at least $30k on a count of putting $10k into the machines from what I saw, but the maintenance guy said she had won much more than that.
     
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    I am wondering the motive of your posts. You tell everyone how great you are, how much you are winning and how good your way of playing is but you refuse to share it. If your posts are to provide truth that the game is beatable I agree with you. I am doing very well myself. To go to the lengths that you are dangling that carrot in front of everyone like that is a little juvenile. It is like eating the chocolate ice cream cone in front of everyone. I congratulate you on your superior play but it seems that you're going through great lengths to give everyone the smallest of peeks into your way of play then shutting the shades. If you share or sell it, it is not going to make any difference to you. You will not lose a dime. You will be helping people who are struggling with this game.

    Just one thing,

    Especially in Baccarat, the house flies in the high rollers and provide six to seven figure markers to these whales. The house has full knowledge that they may lose millions to that what but to them it is worth the risk. Your five figure winning is extremely impressive and I am sure the house was not happy to give it to you but big picture, it is just a drop in the bucket. People make bets higher than your winnings.

    I have a friend that made over 1.5 million in the game over the span of a year. It is just now that they are cutting his comps as a deterrent from playing at their house. They are not stopping him from playing though.
     

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    Just a substantial amount of time (more hours than you can count honey) in one of the best baccarat houses in the world. These instances that you mention about conduct have nothing to do with your original post about being restricted from playing baccarat so more sugar coating was a nice try and thanks for playing honey. WHAT IN THE EVER F DOES CONDUCT AND FIGHTING HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR ORIGINAL POST? NOTHING. And the slot machine or other game wins with your lady bro? A nice touch, but EPIC FAIL.

    STOP SPITTING ON THE GAMING INDUSTRY. STOP SPITTING ON GAMING PROFESSIONALS THAT PUT IN A LOT OF SACRIFICE WITH DIFFICULT HOURS OF THE DAY, BAD BEHAVIOR FROM GUESTS, ETC. TO OFFER THE GAME, AND STOP SPITTING ON BACCARAT with your stupid made up stories. My brothers and sisters drive harder than you ever will with your made up bull.

    Next your going to tells us about the magic Panda that appeared out of nowhere and started playing baccarat with you...

    Because OP is full of it 100%. Anyone who has ever played baccarat for any amount of time can easily see. I stated in my first post that I didn't doubt you are a winning player, but no I do since you keep exponentially backing your bogus claim about being restricted. Furthermore, your level of high payout bet size is no where near in line with your stated buy-in size, bet sizes, and win goals. yay team!
     
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  16. Roubacc

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    Hi Harry, great news that you are winning consistently. Kudos to you. I totally believe it because I am part of a group of consistent winners and know it’s totally doable. What people don’t understand is it takes a lot of work to get there.
    If you don’t mind I would like to know more about why or how you got barred. My understanding was as long as you’re not cheating or spreading your bets by more than 2 or 3 units, the Casino will let you win. Please specify the Casino or city/state where you received heat for winning and why.
    I know in Las Vegas, they really track your winning. In Los Angeles, for example, the money/risk is handled by a “corporation”, and the Casino or the pit boss doesn’t care how much you win, as it is not their money.
    Thx and looking forward to your response.
     
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    Sorry but I agree with Harry. The best players got there by taking bits and pcs from others and incorporating it into their own game. I’m very happy with my results but if I can add a couple of units to every shoe I play, why not. That is what great players do.
     
  18. Roubacc

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    That is a legit
    The pit boss is correct. Both your bets together have to be less than the table limit.
     
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    - Learning from other players? You bet. I never said differently. OP is stating that he fears he will end baccarat because of his skill and that is why he limits his bet size.

    - The instance mentioned, the way I read it is that the OP is stating management restricted play on the hand to $100 total for the two of them/ on the table for the Dragon high payout bet when the limit on the table was $100 per seated player position. If the total table limit for the Dragon high payout bet is $100 then, yes of course, the total of all bets for all players have to be $100 or less. Houses in my area post limits per seated player so one can do the math based on a total of 6 seated player positions.

    Never ever heard or witnessed anything like this: 'the pit boss said that the moment I exchanged chips with some stranger next to me, that the total value of my chips and his chips together had to be under table limit.'

    - If you want to negotiate higher limits or game requirements such as having a private table or minimum buy-in requirement that is customarily done up front before a new shoe starts play, and not during the course of play in a shoe.
     
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  20. Harrylaiv

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    Boomtown casino in Harvey Louisiana is the one that asked me to play another game. When asked why the pit boss said that my skill level was too good for this game and that there has to be a House edge during play at all times, he went into explaining that the decision was not up to him, but from his boss who he said I may speak with at a later time but as of that time, I will have to defer to a different game. My nearest casino that I visit a few times a week is treasure chest casino in Kenner Louisiana owner by Boyd gaming. I am not cheating and I am not doing anything unethical. I am playing the game the way they allow it to be played with a pen and paper in hand simply getting groups of different card counts to determine the higher probability of the next hand based on the automatic shuffler. Baccarat is a game of skill as well as luck. Those who believe that luck is the only real skill that you can have on any negative expectation game simply haven’t found a mathematical system that can lower the house edge by a tremendous amount. All player and banker systems in my experience as of now are crap. You have to use math to beat a game that’s won based on numbers.
     
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