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Baccarat I discovered this but need people to confirm it

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Craps, Apr 8, 2021 at 5:08 AM.

  1. Craps

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    Most of my homework is derived from BEAD trends. 3 bead,4, 5 and 6.

    Bead trends are in blocks where you chart from top to bottom depending on the number of hands forming a block. While writing down blocks of 4, I discovered there is a way we can play by delaying bad runs when they come. We only play on the 4th or last hand of the chosen block.

    I differentiate the blocks to 2 types. Balanced or Unbalanced. Balanced means BBPP, PPBB, BPPB, PBBP, BPBP, PBPB, BBBB and PPPP. Unbalanced means BBBP, PPPB, BPBB, PBPP, BBPB, PPBP, BPPP and PBBB

    I found out that unbalanced blocks tend to run better than balanced blocks meaning after the first 3 hands of a block is set, we can bet the 4th hand of the block to make it unbalanced.

    I did use 5 Marty on the last hand of said blocks and so far have been 100%. Need more feedback. Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, I will Do some testing on line, & revert,BTW 1) Do we start from the beginning of the shoe or jump any moment & ,start charting blocks of 4 from that point of the shoe 2) Go for only 1 win or play the whole shoe,e.g if we win 4th hand, ( blocks of 4) i,.e win 1st Marty do we start again from the 8th hand, Kindly clarify, to enable me to give u feedback
     
  3. Craps

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    Yo, Ravi, Honestly I haven't come up with a game plan yet. Just noticed uneven blocks are easier to spot and they do tend to run more.
    Kindly test after 3 unsuccessful double uneven block, test whether the next 5 uneven goes double. Thanks
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2021 at 8:24 AM
  4. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, I didn't understand, " 3 unsuccessful double uneven block, test whether the next 5 uneven goes double " Can u kindly clarify with an example with blocks of 4, it will be crystal clear, & I will start testing right away,Waiting, thanks
     
  5. cps10

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    Hi Craps

    I can help as I’ve worked a lot with Balanced and Unbalanced shoes. What I would like to know is that are you expecting a second unbalanced block after one appears, or are you looking to keep three legs of an unbalanced block to remain unbalanced.

    With your parameters, Unbalanced means BBBP, PPPB, BPBB, PBPP, BBPB, PPBP, BPPP and PBBB

    If you are looking for unbalanced to continue after three hands, there are only six of these that can be bet. The BBBP and PPPB cannot be bet. This is because with three hands on the same side, it will be unbalanced regardless of the next result. However the others can be.

    Also, are you looking at separated blocks or can they intersect? For instance, if your have PPB and you bet for P to stay a four-hand unbalance, and win, you have PPBP. Immediately, with the PBP as the last three hands, you have another P betting opportunity to keep those unbalanced. Or if you get PPBP would you wait for three more results to make those blocks independent?

    Plenty to mull over but I have found balance to be important especially since dealing with a “50/50” game.
     
  6. Craps

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    Sorry for not stating it clearly enough Ravi & cps10. Yes, I am talking about after an unbalanced block, the next one needs to be balanced. If this goes on 2 more times meaning 3 single unbalanced blocks without repeating side to side, it's time to bet the next 5 single unbalanced block to repeat.
    In short, it will take 8 unbalanced block to be single for a bust. I am not fixated with this particular approach. I am just wondering because from my records, this looks pretty solid.
    Anyway, I sometimes put in a QUALIFIER to avoid a crazy trend meaning after the Trigger appears, I need to see one virtual win before playing. For me to bust in this case 3 single unbalanced block and then as soon as a double or more unbalanced block occurs, I will Marty the next 5 single unbalanced block.
    Thanks in advance guys.
     
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  7. Craps

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    Instead of dealing with BANKER or PLAYER selection which can sometimes make people go crazy, I am now confusing the Baccarat Gods with Balanced or Unbalanced and the main difference is there is a big pause between bets so that people don't go on tilt that easier.
     

  8. cps10

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    That makes more sense. You will note that unbalanced blocks should be seen 10 of 16 or 62.5%. Where you would be excited to see is that my testing so far with three shoes is the following:

    Shoe 1: 55% longest streak of Unbalanced blocks: 2 blocks of 4 hands

    Shoe 2: 45% longest streak of Unbalanced blocks: 3 blocks of 4 hands

    Shoe 3: 55% longest streak of Unbalanced blocks: 3 blocks of 4 hands

    Furthermore, there are blocks that follow Unbalanced blocks that will be impossible to create a Balanced block after 3 hands (PPP and BBB). So looking back at these shoes, the adjusted longest streaks are as follows:

    Shoe 1: 2 blocks

    Shoe 2: 2 blocks

    Shoe 3: 2 blocks

    A three-step Marty would certainly win all of these shoes. And the results would be as follows:

    Shoe 1: +5.95 units
    Shoe 2: +5.95 units
    Shoe 3: +5.85 units
     
  9. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, According to u PPPP & BBBB are unbalanced blocks but Craps says PPPP & BBBB are balanced
    BTW Can u play one shoe out of 3 it will clear things ,thanks for ur cooperation
     
  10. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, So the trigger to bet -- is unbalanced block, then balanced block, again unbalanced block then balanced block ,once again unbalanced block then balanced block
    Now there are 3 unbalanced blocks each separated by balanced blocks NOW we play 5 step Marty, that Single unbalanced blocks won't occur 5 times in a row,
    But what if single unbalanced block is separated by 2 or more balanced blocks &
    PPPP/BBBB should be considered balanced or unbalanced?
     
  11. cps10

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    Hi Ravi,

    Yes he does consider it Balanced. For me I consider it Unbalanced because there are no results from one of the sides. I do see his rationale behind it though. You have balanced one side with two more of the same side. I wanted to use BBBB and PPPP as unbalanced to get more plays. Also when you have BBB or PPP, the likelihood of there being a fourth (although a 50/50 chance) is less. I can run it again with those being Balanced but to me they shouldn’t be. It’s for safety purposes for me. I’ve studied this part of patterns for years so that’s just my personal preference.

    I think though what he’s saying is that any time there is an Unbalanced block of four bets (whatever the definition is), there should be a Balanced not too far behind it.
     
  12. Ravinderchawla

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    Thanks Cps10, I had requested u to sample play a shoe or maybe few hands, it will ease things & make them crystal clear, Appreciate ur cooperation, thanks
     
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    I will do that for sure. I am going to run a few more to make sure it’s working properly
     
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    I ran tests on 10 shoes that I have from previous systems I purchased. I feel like they can't be reverse engineered that way. The basis of play: take a four-hand block and see if it's Unbalanced or Balanced. If Unbalanced, I will allow three hands to come about and bet the fourth one will complete a Balanced block. I did this two ways: (1) the way Craps described it using BBBB and PPPP as Balanced blocks; (2) using BBBB and PPPP as Unbalanced blocks. The second way, which I prefer personally, will have quite a few "No Bets" in it as you cannot possibly form a Balanced block with the first three hands being BBB or PPP. Those were called No Bets. I also applied a Martingale to the losses, although the Money Management portion of it can be tweaked for those that don't like Marty's.

    Doing it the way Craps prescribed, I had a profit of 35.6 units, with a high bet of 32 units.

    Doing it the way I prefer, I had a profit of 33.85 units, with a high bet of 16 units.

    These both take into consideration the commission for Banker bets. Either way, over 3 units per shoe is pretty good considering that you are not playing every single hand. Therefore, I would recommend if you do this to prevent trouble from sitting out hands, you should play Stadium Baccarat where you can sit out as many as you like as long as you are playing every so often.

    If a shoe is an hour long, then 3 green units is $75/hour, which isn't a bad way to live. I found this to be very low pressure, although the 32-unit bet would be a bit worrisome. If you had a bankroll of 63 units, that would be enough to survive that. I will continue to test more shoes as I find the time. I will also try and copy and paste a shoe at some point to show you exactly what I'm doing.
     
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  15. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Waiting for the demo of sample shoe, will begin testing/playing with small units( online) to get real feel, & revert, with proper feedback,thanks
     
  16. Craps

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    Ravi, As long as UBB is single, it can be separated by one or few consecutive BB.
    BBBB and PPPP are considered BB so as to balanced out 16 permutations of 4 in a block.
    It's just I felt that UBB are prone to run better than BB. That's the reason I came out with UBB not being single for 8 times in a row.
    You can always come out with suggestion on how to go about playing UBB & BB.
    Bet selection is a breeze now since the first 3 hands of a block decides the 4th. and we only bet the 4th.
     
  17. Craps

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    cps10. Whenever you used Marty, you need to get used to winning on the last step.
    Winning on the first step of a Marty is just as risky because after that win, one would NEVER check to see whether the subsequent steps are wins or losses. What if it is W L L L L ?
     
  18. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, But after a single unbalanced there can be streaks of balanced, & then consecutive UB ( unbalanced block's) there will many times where u don't experience 3 single UB's so NO TRIGGERS to play in the entire shoe
    What I recommend after UB ( it can be one or more) trigger to bet is after 3 balanced blocks bet 5 step Marty, unbalanced will occur, just a suggestion ( Many more options ) Interesting thesis to work on
     
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    Bbbbwwaaaaaaahhhh this balance/unbalance stuffs and thing gonna get the john-O come outta his bunker, hey hey.
     
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  20. Craps

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    That's the uniqueness of this betting plan. Did not win is better to lose. Let this served as a key thought for your future pattern system designing. You do not want a trigger to come too easily NOR you want to wait TOO long for it to come. I do welcome some other triggers. After all we are not trying to find a Holy Grail. It's one more way we can look at Baccarat.
     

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